"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Dannyrt34

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Well, it's friday guys, we should all be getting ready to go and meet plenty of beautiful women this weekend. I have a date tomorrow night, so I'm going to the club tonight, but I got an interesting story of a girl I keep running into out at the club. And I'd like some advice of how to go about this.

She is one of the most gorgeous girls there, I consider her a HB10. It never fails that I always see her out there, the first week I went to the club, she grabbed my ass and kept striking up conversation and dancing with me, she even got jealous when I was dancing with other girls, and I don't even know her. She shows obvious interest, but one problem, whenever I make my move, she reminds me of the fact that she has a boyfriend, she keeps saying this "I have eyes watching me.". (Or that's just her excuse to tease me.) But I really don't think she's just being a tease, because usually those types of girls wouldn't be just teasing ONE guy in the club, and I never see her talking with other guys or even looking at other guys.

But anyway, the next time I go to the club, I see her again. She's with some friends, we catch each others eye. As soon as we make eye contact I see she gets really nervous, she goes to hide behind her group of friends, and as I move around, she moves to the other side. I decide to just start chatting with her friends then, and then she moves in to talk to me. I smile and say "Who you hiding from?". She just smiles and doesn't respond, then I say "So are you going to dance with me or what?" She says, "I can't, I feel sick." So I just started dancing with one of her friends instead. Then she wanders off to the sidelines and I see her just staring away at me while I dance with her friend. So I then decide to ask her friend "What's up with your girl, why is she sick." Her friend tells me what shes up to, she says "Oh, she's here with her boyfriend and I guess she doesn't want you to know that."

So after some small talk with the HB10s friends, I walk back over to my buddy and I tell him the situation. I point out to him the HB10 and as I point her out, I notice she still keeps looking my way, and smiling everytime our eyes meet. Me and my buddy were trying to discuss a way to get past the whole boyfriend gig. Now keep in mind, I'm not looking for advice from those of you that will say "Just go talk to the other ones without boyfriends." Because I ALREADY DO THIS! This isn't the only girl I approach at the club, I usually meet about 10 girls a night there.

The reason I want some REAL advice is because I feel like this is a CHALLENGE everytime I go. I feel like I'm understanding the normal pickups very well now, So I want to up the ante and try for a girl that's more of a challenge. Even if I can't get anywhere with this girl, I want to think of ways to get past this, because it boosts my male ego just to know that I CAN do it.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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flexion_

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This whole flirting thing is the female version of x-box/gamecube.

If her BF is with her you can't really do much then - wait for some other night when she is alone and make your move then. Of course remember that she is going to do the exact same thing to you if you ever start dating her.
 

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Speaking as someone far below your level... and to quote "Girl Next Door" (a generally lousy movie, natch)...

"fvck her for ME, man!"
 

Dannyrt34

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flexion_ said:
This whole flirting thing is the female version of x-box/gamecube.

If her BF is with her you can't really do much then - wait for some other night when she is alone and make your move then. Of course remember that she is going to do the exact same thing to you if you ever start dating her.
LOL Who said anything about dating her, she's a HB10! And apparently if she has a boyfriend I doubt she has interest in me romantically anyway, it's just lust. And one more thing, if she still shows interest in another guy while she has a boyfriend. It might not mean anything about what type of girl she is, I was thinking maybe the boyfriend is just a total wuss AFC, but then again how'd he get the HB10 in the first place if he is an AFC.

Basically, I want to see how far I can get with her, and then take it from there.
 

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realsmoothie said:
Speaking as someone far below your level... and to quote "Girl Next Door" (a generally lousy movie, natch)...

"fvck her for ME, man!"
Hahaha, never seen the movie, but I like the humor. Here's a tip, don't ever say you're far below my level, we're all here because we're aspiring DJ's. We all have the ability to have almost any woman we want, the only problem is our thoughts and emotions get in the way.

I read on here that even the best pickup artists are out of their game somedays.

So the first step into becoming that great alpha male that you want to be is this, 'Think that YOU aleady are an alpha male'.:rockon:
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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