New2SoSuave
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Would you talk to them or interact with them in case you bump into them?
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Girls who turned you down in the past?
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"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
exile663dfx
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Yes.New2SoSuave said:
New2SoSuave
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1. What if you get the feeling she is avoiding you?
2. Or if you hear from grapevine that she has talked about your interest to her friends and mentioned to them that she turned you down.
2. Or if you hear from grapevine that she has talked about your interest to her friends and mentioned to them that she turned you down.
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A smile and/or hello never hurts because you are a gentleman and that's what we do--no sour grapes allowed. After that a "tactical" withdrawal to see if she approaches you next is a good option. If not, you've done your part and nobody can say you're a jerk, especially any other girls in the room you may want to approach.
“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”
Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.
Young Stallion
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LOL....I have banged women who have rejected me initially.
Two best story openers:
1. One girl said she knew what I wanted but wasnt going to kiss me....this was in the morning.....I banged her that evening.
2. One girl said she thought I was repulsive and kinda creepy....8 months later I started talking to her again, became her friend...then banged her and then we proceeded to have an 8 month relationship.
So yes, keep the lines of communication open.
Two best story openers:
1. One girl said she knew what I wanted but wasnt going to kiss me....this was in the morning.....I banged her that evening.
2. One girl said she thought I was repulsive and kinda creepy....8 months later I started talking to her again, became her friend...then banged her and then we proceeded to have an 8 month relationship.
So yes, keep the lines of communication open.
timmylivingalie
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No way unless I have a chick with me and I can make them jealous. But thats me and I was hurt bad in younger afc days.
Mike32ct
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It's ok to say hi and be polite, but that's about it.
Otherwise I'd cut the conversation short and move on.
Otherwise I'd cut the conversation short and move on.
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I keep things short and civil.
"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
Gather around young DJ's and let poppa Zodiac tell you a story:
Before I moved I went back to my hometown for a month to see family and friends and saw a bunch of chicks I knew in high school that rejected me, (back in high school mind you I weighed close to 300 pounds so I wasn't anything to look at but 3 years afterward I weighed 85+ pounds less and a whole different person,) so just like us DJs looking over bigger women I was looked over as well.
So I ran into I think 11 girls from high school that either approached me saying "You look familiar" and I'd explain who I was to which we'd chat and exchange numbers or we'd move on with our lives or in the case of 7 of those 11 girls were either waitresses/cashiers that chatted me up in a dead checkout line until we exchanged numbers/did that old number on the receipt trick or I snubbed them because they were complete ****s to me.
Out of those 11 girls I hooked up with 6 of them before I moved. Out of those 6, only 4 knew who I was and afterward for the other 2 I finally told them when they asked me for a second date. Those other 2 were horrid people that I did out of anger (Something I don't really like to do that much) to rub in their faces for rejecting me (A bit childish I know) but the reactions were oh so priceless.
TL/DR: So OP; yeah girls in the past rejected me because I was a fatso in high school later on were trying to get with me because I had changed since most of my stress points from there had disappeared completely and I had a job that kept my physically active. That is when it was cemented in my mind that women are just likes us men; shallow.
Before I moved I went back to my hometown for a month to see family and friends and saw a bunch of chicks I knew in high school that rejected me, (back in high school mind you I weighed close to 300 pounds so I wasn't anything to look at but 3 years afterward I weighed 85+ pounds less and a whole different person,) so just like us DJs looking over bigger women I was looked over as well.
So I ran into I think 11 girls from high school that either approached me saying "You look familiar" and I'd explain who I was to which we'd chat and exchange numbers or we'd move on with our lives or in the case of 7 of those 11 girls were either waitresses/cashiers that chatted me up in a dead checkout line until we exchanged numbers/did that old number on the receipt trick or I snubbed them because they were complete ****s to me.
Out of those 11 girls I hooked up with 6 of them before I moved. Out of those 6, only 4 knew who I was and afterward for the other 2 I finally told them when they asked me for a second date. Those other 2 were horrid people that I did out of anger (Something I don't really like to do that much) to rub in their faces for rejecting me (A bit childish I know) but the reactions were oh so priceless.
TL/DR: So OP; yeah girls in the past rejected me because I was a fatso in high school later on were trying to get with me because I had changed since most of my stress points from there had disappeared completely and I had a job that kept my physically active. That is when it was cemented in my mind that women are just likes us men; shallow.
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Well, I guess I'd write to Cosmo about this, so that they can publish an article on "20 different ways you can tell that's he's totally into you, plus multiple orgasms and other bullsh*t."New2SoSuave said:
Seriously, man?
Please, please, please tell me this is a theoretical situation and you're not wasting your time trying to figure out what to say to some chick who politely declined.
Shoot, man, I get politely declined all the time. It happens. You move on, and if you have other things going on in your life (you should), you don't even take a second to think twice about the rejection because, hey, whatever.
I've been seeing too many threads like this. I'm gonna start a new one to give some perspective on failure.
New2SoSuave
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Some of them would try to friendzone you/make you your friend (that they are not interested in hooking up) after the rejection?
That's why I've been reluctant to interact with them. I guess I have little/no game
That's why I've been reluctant to interact with them. I guess I have little/no game
Tell them you have enough friends and if they change their mind that here's your number.New2SoSuave said:Some of them would try to friendzone you/make you your friend (that they are not interested in hooking up) after the rejection?
That's why I've been reluctant to interact with them. I guess I have little/no game
"She's Out of Your League"
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
No... Because they were all *****es, and I don't associate with such a person anymore. Nothing to say them. Plus, I live in a far-away state, so fat chances of ever seeing them again. One of them added me to Facebook, but I'm tempted to take her off. She's a Christian now and was always kind of nice, but got hurt bad and found her at a very bad time. Eh... Still hard to forget.
ilikecharlene
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If you get irate, she wins. It may depend on how she turns you down. If it is a friend, you get close to her, want more than friendship, but she says no, fine. IMO, it's a law of male/female interactions that one will like the other sexually and/or romantically.
However, even if she is rude in turning down, it's best not to let it bother you. I feel a healthy/confident guy doesn't let things like this phase him. It lessens potential dating worth to do so.
However, even if she is rude in turning down, it's best not to let it bother you. I feel a healthy/confident guy doesn't let things like this phase him. It lessens potential dating worth to do so.
This should be our mantra.ilikecharlene said:
Dating can be boiled down to a simple formula:
1) You reward her for good behavior.
2) You go NC after bad behavior for X number of days, based on severity.
There should be only 2 things she can be doing: having the time of her life with you, or missing you.
If she was civilized about it then I won't treat her rudely. That'd be childish.
However,
However,
That happens time to time and if it does I simply don't give the ***** the time of day. You keep the upper hand and it drives them nuts if you don't seem to be mad about it at all.New2SoSuave said:
"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.