Skyline
Master Don Juan
I think it's an actual restaurant and he was using coffee as an example. Dishes are probably in the $30+ ranges.
"She's Out of Your League"
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
Girl suggests we have first date at expensive club/bar
- Thread starter QuadDeuces
- Start date
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
QuadDeuces
Master Don Juan
It was not going to be a coffee date at 8pm.
I used coffee as an example, a beer went for the same price, c0cktails 25.
I'm just not a sucker like most men on OLD who are happy to pay for dates and then be surprised they do not get laid afterwards but the broke guy on the street who pays them no attention does. Like the saying beta bucks, alpha fvcks.
I used coffee as an example, a beer went for the same price, c0cktails 25.
I'm just not a sucker like most men on OLD who are happy to pay for dates and then be surprised they do not get laid afterwards but the broke guy on the street who pays them no attention does. Like the saying beta bucks, alpha fvcks.
devilkingx2
Master Don Juan
If she's ordering c0cktails plural then you'd certainly get laid
Winner! Least amount of confidence displayed by SS member in his ability to score with drunk woman. Bonus points! Tries to shamelessly take sympathy and economics angle! Don't worry Deuce, there are lots of frat boys here who will say you did the right thing.
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Had a chick pull this on me years ago. She suggested the most expensive place in town for our first date. I suggested another more simpler place since this would have been date one. She was adamant saying she wanted to go to expensive place with the justification "I've never been there and have always wanted to go." I said that i would prefer some place a little more toned down. How about we save the fancy place for a later date here is how the rest of our conversation went.
Her -"Oh come on I've always wanted to go to the Estrel. I have never been and think it would be awesome."
Me "how about this. Tonight will go to Kelseys and we will save the Estrel for another night down then road. Sound good?"
Her "mmmmm."
Me "what's the matter?"
Her " you're not a tight wad are you? "
Me " ok. Fine. Lets go the Estrel. Dinner is on you tonight."
Her " WTF? Uh no!"
Me smiling from ear to ear, " what's wrong? You're not a cheap tight wad are you?"
She sat dumbfounded for about 20 seconds saying nothing then i said "don't slam the car door on your way out. Dates over."