"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Ilboy

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Hi folks!

I need some help with this one.
There is this one girl, pretty hot, and she is playing hard to get with me. Every once in a while we write each other, and she keeps telling me how much she would like to do stuff with me but whenever I ask her to do something she is like "Oh I would LOVE TO but I already have plans". She is like the busiest girl ever...in fact I think she loves to be courted by guys, as she is constantly hanging out with dudes. I think she likes the attention.
So I have asked her a few times, and she keeps saying she would love to but she has other plans. This weekend I asked her if she wanted to come to my party (which was friday) and she was like "I don't know but I hope you are coming Monday to this crazy halloween party!!!" So a friend of mine and I were ready to go when a day later she was like "Oh Ilboy I am really sorry, it is supposed to be a private party, the host doesn't want anybody he doesn't know on the party!"
A few days later she told me she was invited to another private party on friday so she couldn't come to my frat party. Thursday a friend and I were going to a college party, I was pretty drunk, so five minutes before leaving for the party I messaged her if she wanted to come. No answer.
Just 5 minutes ago she writes me on facebook "Hey Ilhan how was your party without me?? :p"

I don't know how to deal with this girl, apparently. Go no contact for a while? Should I wait until she reinitiates contact, or just forget about her? Should I wait a few weeks and reinitiate contact? How do I react to that last facebook post?
Help me guys!
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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PrettyBoyAJ

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Call her a tease, charge it to the game, find more girls.
 

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Ilboy said:
Hi folks!

I need some help with this one.

I'll try :) .

There is this one girl, pretty hot, and she is playing hard to get with me.

There is NO such thing as "playing hard to get." Please delete that phrase from your brain. There is "interested" and "not interested."

Every once in a while we write each other, and she keeps telling me how much she would like to do stuff with me but whenever I ask her to do something she is like "Oh I would LOVE TO but I already have plans". She is like the busiest girl ever...

Would she be too busy for the hot guy she wants? Of course not. Conveniently, an opening would appear in her tight schedule for such a hot guy.


in fact I think she loves to be courted by guys, as she is constantly hanging out with dudes. I think she likes the attention.

This is very common. With no disrespect intended, that is what we call an attention wh*re or AW.

So I have asked her a few times, and she keeps saying she would love to but she has other plans. This weekend I asked her if she wanted to come to my party (which was friday) and she was like "I don't know but I hope you are coming Monday to this crazy halloween party!!!" So a friend of mine and I were ready to go when a day later she was like "Oh Ilboy I am really sorry, it is supposed to be a private party, the host doesn't want anybody he doesn't know on the party!"

Dude she is so walking all over you.


A few days later she told me she was invited to another private party on friday so she couldn't come to my frat party. Thursday a friend and I were going to a college party, I was pretty drunk, so five minutes before leaving for the party I messaged her if she wanted to come. No answer.
Just 5 minutes ago she writes me on facebook "Hey Ilhan how was your party without me?? :p"

She blew you off, then wanted some attention later. Nice.

I don't know how to deal with this girl, apparently. Go no contact for a while? Should I wait until she reinitiates contact, or just forget about her? Should I wait a few weeks and reinitiate contact? How do I react to that last facebook post?
Help me guys!
A lost cause would be an improvement here. Absolutely forget about her. Delete her number.

Here on SS, the point we try to drive home is to judge a woman by her actions not her words. Her words may sound encouraging at times, but it's all BS. The reality is she won't lift a finger to be with you.

I'm sorry man. I wish I had better news.

So, I hope you walk away with two VERY important concepts from this post:

1. There is no playing hard to get. She's interested/attracted or she isn't.

2. Go by her actions. What she says doesn't mean jack.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Gray The Prince

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Mike32ct said:
A lost cause would be an improvement here. Absolutely forget about her. Delete her number.

Here on SS, the point we try to drive home is to judge a woman by her actions not her words. Her words may sound encouraging at times, but it's all BS. The reality is she won't lift a finger to be with you.

I'm sorry man. I wish I had better news.

So, I hope you walk away with two VERY important concepts from this post:

1. There is no playing hard to get. She's interested/attracted or she isn't.

2. Go by her actions. What she says doesn't mean jack.

This hit the hammer on the nail. Call her a tease or something witty, cut your losses and move on. You have a lot to learn.
 

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don't delete her number

nothing spikes her interest quite like refusing to have anything to do with her

you don't want to be caught off-guard in the future when she calls and you don't recognize her number
 

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This is just what I needed. Thanks everybody for the help!
 

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You put some effort in, you did your part. Now forget her and try again with another HB.
 

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Eventually after a couple of tries even a hard to get girl will buckle and succumb to your advances if shes interested.

Shes not playing hard to get. She just enjoys leading you on and the attention typical of an AW.

Like the others said just start ignoring her, cut off all contact, start dating other chicks and if she contacts you after your 'disappearance" act indifferent as if its no big deal.

If shes interested at all she will be the one to initiate and suggest a meeting. But by all means start spinning other plates. Nothing better gets women in line than them knowing they have competition.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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She is not playing hard to get, she is playing attention *****. Actually, not playing, thats what she is.
 

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Zarky said:
ah, noobs, they just keep coming.. ;)


DAFS
that sentence is supposed to mean there are many, but this particular one is giving trouble ;)

Thanks for the advice everybody!
 

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it worked! didn't write her at all, totally ignored her and today she wrote me on facebook, kind of inviting me to a party this friday. I'll answer something funny and say no thanks I got something else to do but maybe some other day.
Then I'll keep ignoring her.
The question is, should I ask her out after a while of ignoring her or just go zero contact?
 
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She sounds like a typical AW. The best solution in dealing with an AW is not to deal with them at all.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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