"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Girl I barely know asked for help then went NC

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Met this girl through online dating. We had a few conversations on the phone: Deep, long conversations about all kind of things. We were planing to go on a date and made up a day and time. Few days before the date she texted me and asked for help, she wanted me to translate a few things for her, a few documents. She came to my country not long ago and don't know the language very well. I texted her that I will try but I found it weird and inappropriate because we never met, so I was talking around it on the phone. She told me if I don't really want to help, she will ask someone else and hang up the phone without telling bye. I called her cause I wanted to explain why I acted this way but she did't pick up. Texted and called her next day - no response.

Guess that was it with this girl. Guess I should have told her immediately that I think it's weird instead of talking around it. What do you think, was it wrong that I didn't help her or are my thoughts right? How would you handle a situation like this? I really like her, is there anything I can do to get this girl back? Is there anything I can do to get her to talk to me again?
 
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"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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I didn't tell her that I find it weird, I was just talking around it.
 

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I really like her, is there anything I can do to get this girl back? Is there anything I can do to get her to talk to me again?
Nope, you already lost frame thinking like this. More fish in the sea. For all we know her sole interest in you was the ability to translate some document. Telling a woman no early on and seeing how she reacts is a good test. She failed, why do you now want to chase her?
 

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If you do not have abundance, you must be careful around women when you first meet them. You need not to criticize them or talk too much. If you have three other gals you're doing, and she's just an addition to an entire life, you don't care so much and can mouth off; what the hell? See what happens.

Your posting tells me you don't have many options.

I think many men read RP advice and proceed to f-up their lives and chances with women, not knowing their own SMV and place. Don't do that - everything has shades of gray - even red pill teachings. You need to figure out your goal and learn to act accordingly.

You could have said, "Sure, I'll help you; let's meet at <this> coffee shop; bring it with you." Instead of scolding her for doing it. You need to work intelligently brother.
 

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Thank you for the replies! I know I need more options. And yes my mindset is not where it should be.

Like I said I didn't told her that it was weird or I didn't like it, I was just talking around the subject.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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If you do not have abundance, you must be careful around women when you first meet them. You need not to criticize them or talk too much. If you have three other gals you're doing, and she's just an addition to an entire life, you don't care so much and can mouth off; what the hell? See what happens.

Your posting tells me you don't have many options.

I think many men read RP advice and proceed to f-up their lives and chances with women, not knowing their own SMV and place. Don't do that - everything has shades of gray - even red pill teachings. You need to figure out your goal and learn to act accordingly.

You could have said, "Sure, I'll help you; let's meet at <this> coffee shop; bring it with you." Instead of scolding her for doing it. You need to work intelligently brother.
That would have been met with. “Sorry I can’t, I don’t have time to do that and I need it done tonight. Maybe some other time (to be nice but still give you hope so you’ll do this favor).” One thing about being rejected a lot is I am always 12 steps ahead of women when I know what they’re going to say before they say it. He would have either gotten a snarky response “I need it done today, don’t have time to meet up, have other stuff I need to do. Can you help me or not?” Or a run around excuse like I gave before.
 

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That would have been met with. “Sorry I can’t, I don’t have time to do that and I need it done tonight. Maybe some other time (to be nice but still give you hope so you’ll do this favor).” One thing about being rejected a lot is I am always 12 steps ahead of women when I know what they’re going to say before they say it. He would have either gotten a snarky response “I need it done today, don’t have time to meet up, have other stuff I need to do. Can you help me or not?” Or a run around excuse like I gave before.
It’s possible, but since it didn’t happen we will never know.
 

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Her attitude was fcked up asking for your help to translate some sh1t its not cool or romantic and just looks like she wants to use you. Im a tolerant guy but this looks like one of those narcisstic manipulative 304s with entitlement who thinks that just cos she talked to you shes entitled to ask for anything cos she has a vagina.

IMAGINE A GUY TALKING TO A GIRL EARLY STAGES STARTS ASKING FOR HELP AND FAVOURS NO WOMAN WOULD ACCEPT IT SO THROW IT BACK IN HER FACE BRUH SHE IS JUST A 304

The way I handle it is make some excuse dont help her and then probs if she is a 304 in it for freebies she will stop talking to me but if she is decent she will understand and the interaction will continue without being affected.
 

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I hate to say this, but you literally did everything wrong if you are trying to date this woman, or honestly ANY woman...stop having long deep conversations over the phone with women you haven't met yet and start having shorter, more sexually charged conversations in person on a date.

Your luck will suddenly change for the better I am willing to bet after some practice and adjusting to it.
 

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Sounds good in theory, but in practice you could easily manoeuvre yourself into a rejection and think that the rejection was bound to happen anyway.
Every girl I’ve ever dated or had sex with never started out as me doing favors for then or then even asking. Past experience is usually a great indicator of what’s to come.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Hi SummerSky,
This Girl just wanted to use you....Something similar happened to me on the Dancing Scene,danced with a Korean Lady,next week she was all over me like a rash...Later after a few intimate moments,talking outside in my Car,she asked whether my Company employs people and if I were an Engineer,could I sponser her Son to study Engineering?...I hadn't even finished gently telling her,that wasn't possible when she brushed my hands away from her blouse through which I was gently stroking her Nvipples and flounced out of the Car....As Le Grand Empereur once said "From the the sublime to the ridiculous is but one short step".
 
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Few days before the date she texted me and asked for help, she wanted me to translate a few things for her, a few documents. She came to my country not long ago and don't know the language very well. I texted her that I will try but I found it weird and inappropriate because we never met, so I was talking around it on the phone. She told me if I don't really want to help, she will ask someone else and hang up the phone without telling bye.
What do you mean you "talked around it'" how so, what did you say exactly?

This chick had one hell of a nerve. Translators cost upwards of $15-$30 per hour depending on the language and what you're translating. And what the hell, she had never even met you and she's asking you to do this?

That takes some major balls, and then to so rudely hang up when you declined?

She was never interested. She's looking for free help, orbiters/white knights.

I cannot believe you are still interested and looking for ways to get back in her good graces, dude you dodged a bullet!

I don't know what you said but next time a chick asks you for this type of help/assistance to save herself money before you've ever even met or even after, unless and until she becomes your exclusive girlfriend, tell her very directly and succinctly NO and dump her.

Honestly, the entitlement some chicks possess is becoming just too much - big fat NEXT!
 
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Her attitude was fcked up asking for your help to translate some sh1t its not cool or romantic and just looks like she wants to use you. Im a tolerant guy but this looks like one of those narcisstic manipulative 304s with entitlement who thinks that just cos she talked to you shes entitled to ask for anything cos she has a vagina.

IMAGINE A GUY TALKING TO A GIRL EARLY STAGES STARTS ASKING FOR HELP AND FAVOURS NO WOMAN WOULD ACCEPT IT SO THROW IT BACK IN HER FACE BRUH SHE IS JUST A 304

The way I handle it is make some excuse dont help her and then probs if she is a 304 in it for freebies she will stop talking to me but if she is decent she will understand and the interaction will continue without being affected.
No...see you have it all wrong.

Women use guys that allow themselves to be used and who make themselves readily available to be used.

A person cannot use you if you don't allow it or are unavailable to be used.

This is part of what "being a nice guy" is...allowing yourself to be a doormat for a woman.

Don't be angry or upset at a woman because you portrayed yourself in a way that made her think you were useable in that way. That's on you. Portray yourself in a more favorable manner next time and you won't have that issue.

You did it because you "expected" something in return form it. That's the problem with nice guys...they think because they act like a doormat and do all this stuff that entitles them to sex from a woman. It's actually a form of manipulation by the man because they are only doing what they do because they expect it to lead to something rather than doing it because they want to.

This is a YOU problem, NOT a her problem.
 

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Any 'capable' man knows about women asking for help they should ask from the incapable men they hitched their wagon to.

A friend of mine is a handyman -- plumber, carpenter, painter -- and he makes bank 'helping' women outside of his job. He never works for free though.
Makes bank or "barters services" haha
 

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No...see you have it all wrong.

Women use guys that allow themselves to be used and who make themselves readily available to be used.

A person cannot use you if you don't allow it or are unavailable to be used.

This is part of what "being a nice guy" is...allowing yourself to be a doormat for a woman.

Don't be angry or upset at a woman because you portrayed yourself in a way that made her think you were useable in that way. That's on you. Portray yourself in a more favorable manner next time and you won't have that issue.

You did it because you "expected" something in return form it. That's the problem with nice guys...they think because they act like a doormat and do all this stuff that entitles them to sex from a woman. It's actually a form of manipulation by the man because they are only doing what they do because they expect it to lead to something rather than doing it because they want to.

This is a YOU problem, NOT a her problem.
This is not about me, its not my story. Like I said I handle it differently and I can sense if a woman wants to 'use' me and act accordingly.

But this is definitely a women problem more than a guy problem because many guys can end up wasting time if they think a woman likes them but a woman just wants to use them, the woman too can be wasting her time, like in the case of OP, where both guy and girl ended up wasting time because woman wanted to use 'dating' as a cover for wanting help in other things where she should use her money to pay for translation services. It looks like girl in question was able to 'game' op by her looks or personality as OP wanted her back and to spend more time with her and so she probs knows she has looks or power over men and tries to use that to get stuff, help etc, when travelling to different countries but it wastes time for both parties becaus she is using the cover of liking the guy or wanting to get to know him when in reality she just wants help with stuff.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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