My GF didnt do it to me either in the 1st month. But i just convinced her to do it cause i started talking about it and arousing her about it when she was very horny, and NEVER after or before sex. She eventually did, and began to like it a lot.
"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
GF won't give head
- Thread starter WORKEROUTER
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"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
This goes back to sexual compatibility to me. The girl I'm seeing now is unbelievable at oral sex and would give it in a heartbeat. Problem is that I climax easier with sex, but she isn't that into sexual intercourse. However, I've gotten her to the point of where she wants to do it. Once I didn't have a condom on me or else we would have.
This girl also doesn't like oral sex performed on her. It makes her uncomfortable. She loves the finger though, and I will gladly oblige. Everyone's different, but if you find someone who likes something that you don't or vice versa, you're screwed (no pun intended)
This girl also doesn't like oral sex performed on her. It makes her uncomfortable. She loves the finger though, and I will gladly oblige. Everyone's different, but if you find someone who likes something that you don't or vice versa, you're screwed (no pun intended)
91redrotary
Don Juan
Get rid of her ass point blank. You'll end up frustrating yourself.
WORKEROUTER
Master Don Juan
Seems like there's two different opinions here:
1. Continue with the girl, take it slow, and it will eventually work out.
2. Dump her ass.
I guess I could continue with option 1 since option 2 is always there.
1. Continue with the girl, take it slow, and it will eventually work out.
2. Dump her ass.
I guess I could continue with option 1 since option 2 is always there.
"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
the_great_gaia
Senior Don Juan
If she don't do it, find somebody else that will.
Fenderules
Master Don Juan
yeah give her a chance. i mean you cant blame them if they are new at it. I mean if that was the case then nobody would get nowhere in life cause they would just be stuck as a trainee
Fenderules
Master Don Juan
and you can teacher her! so she will do what you want
"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"
Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."
You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.
She's been waiting forty minutes.
Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.
If she is willing ot learn, even slowly, then fine.
If she is absolutely set on never giving a BJ to anybody, you better next her. You won't be happy.
You had better believe that some women will NEVER want to do it, and they will try to train you accept this.
I would guess from my limited knowledge that up to 30% of women never do it, and their chump BFs or husbands give up and live without it. Maybe they do not like it, but most likely they just gave up. Don't be one of them!
Dietzcoi
If she is absolutely set on never giving a BJ to anybody, you better next her. You won't be happy.
You had better believe that some women will NEVER want to do it, and they will try to train you accept this.
I would guess from my limited knowledge that up to 30% of women never do it, and their chump BFs or husbands give up and live without it. Maybe they do not like it, but most likely they just gave up. Don't be one of them!
Dietzcoi
How old is this girl?
You're going to have to get inside her head more to crack this one bro.
From the way you post, you seem like a hard-charging guy ... something that may not work with this young girl (or most for that matter) ... you're going to have to SEDUCE her rather than directly or indirectly demand sex.
How to do that, just some ideas (every chick is different and YOUR personality is different, so adjust accordingly).
1. Make it okay for her to talk about sex. Talk about it with her, make little jokes.
2. Make her feel good about her body (lots of these young chicks have self-esteem issues). It's sometimes easier to fvck a chick than to get head from her. But, once she becomes sexual, she will likely be more open to anything.
Other than that ... you really ought to think about seeing other women ANYWAY because you seem like you might be relatively young (ie., not ready to settle down and get married) and dating multiple women may be a good way for you to see the differences in women. I personally at this point wouldn't put up with this from a girl ... but it's only because I know the difference.
Just my thoughts.
You're going to have to get inside her head more to crack this one bro.
From the way you post, you seem like a hard-charging guy ... something that may not work with this young girl (or most for that matter) ... you're going to have to SEDUCE her rather than directly or indirectly demand sex.
How to do that, just some ideas (every chick is different and YOUR personality is different, so adjust accordingly).
1. Make it okay for her to talk about sex. Talk about it with her, make little jokes.
2. Make her feel good about her body (lots of these young chicks have self-esteem issues). It's sometimes easier to fvck a chick than to get head from her. But, once she becomes sexual, she will likely be more open to anything.
Other than that ... you really ought to think about seeing other women ANYWAY because you seem like you might be relatively young (ie., not ready to settle down and get married) and dating multiple women may be a good way for you to see the differences in women. I personally at this point wouldn't put up with this from a girl ... but it's only because I know the difference.
Just my thoughts.
WORKEROUTER
Master Don Juan
She's 20; I'm 18.
I definately agree with what you said. I need to work on being a bit more seducing than direct.
And seeing other women is definately a good idea. I'm going to play it cool, keep my confidence, and see how everything turns out.
its not so easy to get frigid newbies to start talking about their bodies. i know my girl shies away from it when i do, and gets embarassed and hits out by saying how dirty i am etc.
thing is, talk is cheap, you'll want to use action to really get her on. firstly, u have to be controlling, but in a gentle way, and give her body alot of attention in bed so she almost feels obliged to do something back to you.
the purpose of giving her body SLOW, SENSUAL attention is to get her in such a sexual state that she forgets about the stigma / taboo and just does it. its similar to the foreplay wetting up a girl till she starts wanting sex despite telling u 1/2 an hour ago that she wanted only heavy petting
it'll take time, it took time for me to score that sorta attention, but i did it slowly, got her into a highly sexual state. the important thing to know is that:
women do not want to feel pressure because then it makes it even harder for them to do it for you... cuz its like a psychological force thats pushing her .
so my suggestion is be gentle, not charging crazy bull. but get her really turned on, over and over and over again, just strip her, control her, whatever, but do it slowly and get her in a very sexual state till she gets used to it and eventually wants to try things with you
thing is, talk is cheap, you'll want to use action to really get her on. firstly, u have to be controlling, but in a gentle way, and give her body alot of attention in bed so she almost feels obliged to do something back to you.
the purpose of giving her body SLOW, SENSUAL attention is to get her in such a sexual state that she forgets about the stigma / taboo and just does it. its similar to the foreplay wetting up a girl till she starts wanting sex despite telling u 1/2 an hour ago that she wanted only heavy petting
it'll take time, it took time for me to score that sorta attention, but i did it slowly, got her into a highly sexual state. the important thing to know is that:
women do not want to feel pressure because then it makes it even harder for them to do it for you... cuz its like a psychological force thats pushing her .
so my suggestion is be gentle, not charging crazy bull. but get her really turned on, over and over and over again, just strip her, control her, whatever, but do it slowly and get her in a very sexual state till she gets used to it and eventually wants to try things with you
CamaroMike
Don Juan
Uhhh, how about you get a new girlfriend?
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.