Getting the Phone Number, but it ends there...

[darkjedi]

Sup everyone!

It's been a while since I last posted, but I've been busy with school and work and everything else. Hope everyone is well!

Anyway, I started hitting the club scene again and I am encountering something that has me completely baffled. I am talking to women at the club and easily able to get their number, but when I call them I am not getting a call back! These women are giving me clear IOI's, I build up good rapport, and keep it short.

Let me give you one case that happened last weekend to make things clear.

I was at the club on a Saturday night the first woman I got the number from actually approached me! We hit the dance floor, danced for a little bit (getting lots of great Kino) in which then I took her outside to the patio to talk to her some more. After a little under 10 min I then told her I had to catch up with my boys, and she made it clear that she wanted to get together with me again. In fact she offered her number to me and she called me from her cell phone to let me know that I was not getting a fake number. I never asked for her number.

The next woman I approached on the dance floor was pretty much the same situation except I approached her and not her approaching me. We danced, then stepped off the floor and talked for a little bit. Again, had good conversation getting plenty of Kino. I asked for her number, she gave it to me and was interested in going out for drinks with me sometime when I had asked her.

Now, I called them both on Monday to setup something for later in the week. Got the voicemail on both calls and left a message basically saying who I was, hope their day was going good and left my telephone number. Wednesday came along and I had not heard back from either. I called both again, and got the voicemail yet again! I did not leave a message this time. I know they are getting my phone calls and as such I don't try to call again after 2 attempts.

This is the kind of stuff I've been seeing for the past month now. I meet women they have clear IOI's they openly give me their number without me asking in many cases (one woman gave me her business card with her work number and wrote her cell number down), but when I call them to setup something as we had discussed, they do not return my calls.

What's the deal? Am I missing something or is this some new game these chicks play?

 

[darkjedi]

bump...

come on guys, would greatly apreciate any input you may have on this.

 

[Tookie]

Around what time do you call,if you go clubbing on a Friday get the digits I know it's against the rules but maybe call Saturday cause you know there is not job or whatever and if they truly dug you as much as you said. Then 2 days 5 days or a couple of hours shouldn't make that much of a diff.

 

[Lord Shinra]

Thats just the nature of the game sometimes.

 

[Guy Incognito]

Possibilities:

1. You need to be more interesting and memorable
2. You left an overly generic message on their answering machine.
3. You called them on the first "biz day" after the weekend (I know, very Swinger-esque)
4. You didn't specify where you can take them or where you can show them when you closed them (i.e. a specific bar, coffee shop or whatever) well enough

this happens to everyone...esp. with flaky club girls. play some weird games with them next time.....adapt and grow!

 

[The Deacon]

Club girls are notorious for being flakes. I'm not a club guy myself, but any social event involving a dark room and lots of dancing involves a lot of women who give out their numbers to some guy and don't really have the backbone to say no.

I hate to quote Mystery, but he is pretty good at anti-flaking stuff. When you talk to them at the club, invite them to a specific event at a specific date at a specific time, get them committed to come, and exchange phone numbers. You also gotta build up as much comfort values as humanly possible. I'd suggest isolating them for at least fifteen minutes and bantering with them. Do routines if you're not sure enough in your own ability to keep up a conversation.

 

[DonGorgon]

In 2008 a phone number means nothing but and ego boost for the female.... Gone are the days of a number meaning sex. There is a rule if you pick up a women in a club and dont F=close the same night you will probably never get her... women seldom take men they meet in the club seriously.

 

[qstorm501]

In 2008 a phone number means nothing but and ego boost for the female.... Gone are the days of a number meaning sex. There is a rule if you pick up a women in a club and dont F=close the same night you will probably never get her... women seldom take men they meet in the club seriously.

Amen to that. If i f-closed for every number i got, jesus i dont wanna even think how much a*s i would be getting. Thats why im begining to realize day game and public place game is far superior. Not to mention cheaper.

 

[DonGorgon]

Amen to that. If i f-closed for every number i got, jesus i dont wanna even think how much a*s i would be getting. Thats why im begining to realize day game and public place game is far superior. Not to mention cheaper.

exactly... many women give their number out to as many as 10 dudes a night in the club... then they sit back and enjoy the random attention as all the dudes call..

 

[Ultimate Player]

this thread is so chump-ridden that im SCARED

ok dude ,original threat starter.........if u meet girls in clubs, u gotta escalate and kiss them or **** them, otherwise they will flake cuz they are stupid like that, its just how it is

if u give a girl a reason to wanna remember you, she will!

 

[DonGorgon]

this thread is so chump-ridden that im SCARED

ok dude ,original threat starter.........if u meet girls in clubs, u gotta escalate and kiss them or **** them, otherwise they will flake cuz they are stupid like that, its just how it is

if u give a girl a reason to wanna remember you, she will!

funny and true

 

[darkjedi]

Around what time do you call,if you go clubbing on a Friday get the digits I know it's against the rules but maybe call Saturday cause you know there is not job or whatever and if they truly dug you as much as you said. Then 2 days 5 days or a couple of hours shouldn't make that much of a diff.

I usually wait till the following Tues to call. I really don't feel like doing anything with women on Sun and on Monday I'm pretty busy the whole day.

 

[darkjedi]

Possibilities:

1. You need to be more interesting and memorable
2. You left an overly generic message on their answering machine.
3. You called them on the first "biz day" after the weekend (I know, very Swinger-esque)
4. You didn't specify where you can take them or where you can show them when you closed them (i.e. a specific bar, coffee shop or whatever) well enough

this happens to everyone...esp. with flaky club girls. play some weird games with them next time.....adapt and grow!

I could agree with #2 and #4 I do need to work on the message I leave on the answering machine cause now that I think about it, it's "really" generic. Any suggestions on this?

Also, I don't specify a place that I can show or take them when I number close. I need to work on this as well.

 

[darkjedi]

Club girls are notorious for being flakes. I'm not a club guy myself, but any social event involving a dark room and lots of dancing involves a lot of women who give out their numbers to some guy and don't really have the backbone to say no.

I hate to quote Mystery, but he is pretty good at anti-flaking stuff. When you talk to them at the club, invite them to a specific event at a specific date at a specific time, get them committed to come, and exchange phone numbers. You also gotta build up as much comfort values as humanly possible. I'd suggest isolating them for at least fifteen minutes and bantering with them. Do routines if you're not sure enough in your own ability to keep up a conversation.

Yeah, it seems the common theme is to get the woman to commit to something by being specific with my plans and more importantly having a plan of action.

 

[darkjedi]

this thread is so chump-ridden that im SCARED

ok dude ,original threat starter.........if u meet girls in clubs, u gotta escalate and kiss them or **** them, otherwise they will flake cuz they are stupid like that, its just how it is

if u give a girl a reason to wanna remember you, she will!

Actually, I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one except on the point that they are stupid like that. As I mentioned in the opening of this thread the case I gave you was only one instance. I've number closed several women at the club over the past months and yes this has included kissing them going to an after hours spot and more kissing.

I've learned lately that: getting the number, having a woman buy "you" drinks, making out with them mean very little in if they will ever contact you again if you call them. Maybe it's my voicemail message that I'm leaving or I am not specific with any plans (I never really mention any when I number close).

Maybe you could tell me of your experiences with what I am seeing?

 

[Rashad]

Trying to find girls that are fun outside of the club...AT the club. Is like trying to talk a fish into meeting you out of water. Especially if she was drinking.

example:

I met this girl at a club one night... barely talked to her, and she started making out with me..easily a HB7 or 8...i thought that was strange... I knew her for about fifteen minutes and we were locking lips.

I go home, and there she is. Turns out she lives in my apartment complex!!

I have put her on the friend list because I am not into her attitude, but she is ok in moderation.

I watch her when she goes out..she makes out with a different guy every night. She gets drunk, then gets false respect and validation for her troubles...

 

[Guy Incognito]

Also, I don't specify a place that I can show or take them when I number close. I need to work on this as well.

"Do you like Sushi? I'm going to call you and we're going to go out for sushi". or something like that. or coffee or whatever.

 

[ezily]

To OP:

I think it's just because girls you meet in a club are in a different mindset (i.e. not sober most likely). So they may not remember you or why they gave you their phone number. Like someone else said, you probably need to escalate more when at the club so they will remember you. Plus, you have no idea how many guys she gave her number to or if she has a bf. It depends on what you want from a girl but I would recommend not taking these club girls seriously. They're probably just out to have a good time and not to meet someone they want a relationship with. So if all you want is a good time then you're in luck with club chicks.

 

[Reyaj]

SERIOUSLY READ MY APPROACH JOURNAL.... You will see that girls flaking seems inevitable

darkJedi we seriously are in the same boat. I don't understand it either. I get numbers even kisses and then flakes. There has got to be something we are missing. And not to knock anyone but something the majority of this board is missing!

 

[ezily]

darkJedi we seriously are in the same boat. I don't understand it either. I get numbers even kisses and then flakes. There has got to be something we are missing. And not to knock anyone but something the majority of this board is missing!

I think it is because you guys are picking up chicks in clubs. If you want a gf that is not the place I would recommend on going. If you want to hook up for the night then by all means a club is a good place (since girls are not sober). It's probably nothing that has to do with you personally. It's more along the lines of the girl not really remembering exactly what happened and why she gave you her number in the first place.