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Yes I know that, but I’ve tried calling them out before or said things like “I don’t believe you” or whatnot but they just double down or block me. So how do you deal with that? Or is that response by her simply a sign she sees me as beta?
Don't call her out. Just be aware of it
 

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Wait, I forgot what we are complaining about. Not being able to find a relationship quality woman?

My point is that all relationships should start with sex. Yes, even with the good girls.

Where do you want to be? With a girl that is attracted to you enough that she couldn't wait, or with one that you had to wear down over time and negotiate desire with?

Sex ASAP, then if she's not what you're looking for, NEXT. If she is, keep banging her and wait for her to bring up a relationship. But having to wait for sex does not make her high quality, and banging the first night does not make her low quality/low hanging fruit.
How quickly you have sex has no bearing on how good a relationship will or will not be.
 

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Getting sex is as easy as it's ever been. Some reasons AF is easy these days-

1. So many out of shape men. All one has to do is hit the gym hard and they are going to physically dominate the majority even if they do nothing else.
2. So many beta/blue pill men out there. Just being masculine separates a man from the pack.
3. Zero social stigma anymore for women to have sex out of wedlock.
Totally disagree that getting sex is as easy as ever. More men are having longer dry spells without sex. Complete inceldom is rising.

Relationships are harder than it has ever been. Some reasons-

1. Financial. No one can afford to support a family anymore. The part that makes it a double bubble is that social expectations have not caught up to reality, so you still have women that expect the middle class lifestyle that is largely out of reach for the majority.
2. BIG ONE- Anti male, anti masculine toxic masculinity and misandry programming causes men to be held in low esteem other than the stratosphere/ top 1%. Women don't respect their man, and they leave or don't couple in the first place because of it.
3. Porn and hook up culture. Women are destroyed by the time they hit 25 from having sex with too many guys. Very sad, indeed.
4. No fault divorce/family industrial complex that will send droves of lawyers, police, and bureaucrats to a woman's aid for financial and emotional support if she doesn't want husband/ baby daddy.

women want and need sex just as much as men.
This statement is closer to the truth.

I'm not being negative in general. Because I need sex, I have to participate in the mating environment. Finding both sex and a relationship is difficult, and that's even without trying to stay healthy in a global pandemic.
 

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Don't call her out. Just be aware of it
Ok but... so I just agree with her or what? Like I don’t usually get anywhere with women who say that so I’m looking for a solution here. I’m already aware of it, awareness is easy. The solution is what eludes me here
 

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Ok but... so I just agree with her or what? Like I don’t usually get anywhere with women who say that so I’m looking for a solution here. I’m already aware of it, awareness is easy. The solution is what eludes me here
Stop giving any mind to her frame. You're the captain. She can pretend she's sailing the ship, but she ain't.

Just ignore whatever she says she wants. She has no idea
 

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Basically OP's wrong.

It's easy to get laid, but to build and maintain a good, stable, and meaningful LTR is way harder.

Most young guys with PUA tips can easily have sex with a woman, and they think the work stops there, they think that just by succesfully fvcking this pvssy is enough to LET THEIR GUARD DOWN & STOP LEARNING, and that's when their nightmare and suffering begins.

So basically OP's not wrong.
 

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BIG ONE- Anti male, anti masculine toxic masculinity and misandry programming causes men to be held in low esteem other than the stratosphere/ top 1%. Women don't respect their man, and they leave or don't couple in the first place because of it.
It's interesting when dating that if you stand up for yourself in the most mild way you get this unbelievably hostile reaction... Literally looked shocked like no one has ever told them no in their entire life
 

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It's interesting when dating that if you stand up for yourself in the most mild way you get this unbelievably hostile reaction... Literally looked shocked like no one has ever told them no in their entire life
Yes. I’ve lost girls because of this. It makes me wonder if I’m denying what works and just being a fly buzzing against a window.
 

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All interactions with women should start with sex. After you've banged her multiple times and she is displaying the right behavior then you can think about upgrading her.
Don’t encourage this type of behavior.
Yeah, it sounds psychopathic/narcissistic. Women are not human. They are just organic sex toys, and if they don't function properly you take em back to the Sex Store within 30 days if you keep the receipt.
 

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Yes. I’ve lost girls because of this. It makes me wonder if I’m denying what works and just being a fly buzzing against a window.
it means she put you in provider zone and your life would be miserable with her(not that she would treat others better necessarily, I think its unlikely)...but its frequent enough to cause doubt, as you mentioned
 

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Am I the only one that notices these pessimistic, overly negative threads are always created by the same people?

Im not insulting or attacking anyone. Just voicing an observation.
This is nothing compared to Reddit with all the Black Pills in the Red Pill groups trying to pass themselves off as Red Pill. I don't think this one is too bad,...it is just laying out reality. It is what people reading it and use it to springboard off into that is the problem. My only disagreement with it is the emphasis on the Gym and the last line of "Women need sex more than men". Going to the gym is fine but it is not the holy grail. You just have to be in reasonably decent physical condition. At my age the body flat out just does not respond to working out the way it used to. I could work out in the gym till I fall over dead (a likely outcome) and there isn't going to be much visible change.

As far as the "Women need sex more than men", it just isn't scientifically possible. Men have,...what's the numbers?,...8 times?...12 times?...the testosterone that woman do. So it just ain't happening. That's why women body builders who try to boost with steroids complain that it makes them horny 24/7 and they can't imagine how men can manage to go through life like that every day naturally. It also flys in the face of Micro-Hypergamy that is tied to the menstrual cycle. During the monthly cycle they have phases. I can't remember the official names of them but they have "Horny Week" (seeks the alpha),..."Don't get within 6 feet of me Week",...and the rest of time is the "I can take it or leave it" period (seeks the beta provider). BTW - The term "Horny Week" was named in a conversation yesterday by a chick who understands this and other RP concepts (but doesn't know about the term "Red Pill") and acknowledges them to be true.
 
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Backwards. Looks and money > game. Game wins out long term, but game alone doesn’t drop any panties.
Yes, technically you can pay women for sex and achieve fast results, but some men prefer attracting a woman through seduction and Game.

As I've told you before - paying for sex is called transactional sex and it's beta. The best sex you can have with a woman is when she's seeking validation from you. This is called validational sex. If you've experienced validational sex then you'd know what I mean.
 

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Yes. I’ve lost girls because of this. It makes me wonder if I’m denying what works and just being a fly buzzing against a window.
You don't lose women because you "stand up for yourself". You lose women because you take them far too seriously.

Once you engage women on a serious, adult level then you've already lost. Everything must always be playful and teasing, and you must be leading the conversation at all times.
 

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You don't lose women because you "stand up for yourself". You lose women because you take them far too seriously.

Once you engage women on a serious, adult level then you've already lost. Everything must always be playful and teasing, and you must be leading the conversation at all times.
Yeah I hate that. I’m a serious guy. Playful banter? Gag me with a fork jnstead
 

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Yes, technically you can pay women for sex and achieve fast results, but some men prefer attracting a woman through seduction and Game.

As I've told you before - paying for sex is called transactional sex and it's beta. The best sex you can have with a woman is when she's seeking validation from you. This is called validational sex. If you've experienced validational sex then you'd know what I mean.
That is a one dimensional understanding of how this works. How do you think celebrities and athletes get broads? (hint: it’s not game)
 

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That is a one dimensional understanding of how this works. How do you think celebrities and athletes get broads? (hint: it’s not game)
Actors and celebrities get laid through social proof. Social proof is huge. Women want to be with guys that society loves - it's an innate evolutionary survival mechanism. This is still transactional sex. Social proof = resources.

If the actor/celebrity doesn't have game then the groupie will toss his salad with divorce rape or a false rape allegation. This happens because the relationship is fundamentally transactional. Women don't respect transactional men. Women respect men who turn them on with validational sex.
 
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Yeah I hate that. I’m a serious guy. Playful banter? Gag me with a fork jnstead
If you're not willing to play the game, then don't complain about women not giving you what you want.

Women don't want serious/logical/boring. They want fun and pvssy tingles.
 

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Once you engage women on a serious, adult level then you've already lost. Everything must always be playful and teasing, and you must be leading the conversation at all times.
Thanks I needed to hear this too.
 
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