"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Getting out of the Friend Zone

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I have a little dilemma on my hands. I have recently come to grips that I have been put into the friend zone with a girl I have been gaming for a while and created attraction in. I had her in the attraction zone at one point and made out with her but for the past month it has been feeling more like I am in the friend zone rather than being looked at as a sexual man. I have read that the best way to get out of the friend zone is to stop all communication with her for a while then come back into her life as a new dominant alpha male that wasn't there when being put into the friend zone. My question is how long should I cut off all communication? By the way, this girl is an absolute mature 10 and has her **** together. She has already had numerous guys try to get out of the friend zone with her by spilling their feelings to her but it just scared her away. I don't want to be that guy but I want her to feel an emotional impact from me not communicating with her like I used to. We communicate with each other at least 3 times a week. Should I cut off ALL communication or should I cut it back to once every two weeks? I want to make sure that when I come back then I am having sex for sure. Any and all ideas are helpful.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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Just remember that there are no guarrantee's, regardless of how "Alpha" you are.
How often do you see her then?
I would leave off initiating any contact with her, especially anything that makes you come across as approval seeking and just focus on yourself and what you want to do.

Get your stuff and life together, get out there and live with passion. Do different things, go different places and immerse yourself in something. You want to get people talking about you.
Work on your internal game and build yourself.
Next time you see her, she should feel your energy and passion and might be thinking, "Wow, there's something different about him". But if she doesn't, then big deal, you're out there enjoying life and there is plenty more fish in the sea.
 

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Trust me, many will agree. Its far easier to find someone new than it its to turn this around. Personally, I think if you do try this she will sense your motives from the word go.

The problem you have is she already knows you like her so unless you can really make it look like you've moved on then it won't work...unless you do actually move on which may peak her interest but art that point you'll gave someone better.
 

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yea i dont see you succeeding with your "plan" to go no contact and then come back and be this "alpha male" in her life to have sex with her
 

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Just dont do it. Once your in the friend zone its pretty damn hard to get out and usually not worth all the time and effort that it will take to get her feeling sexual about you. She will always think of you as someone who isnt sexual. Lets be honest here, why would you want her anyway? She already soft rejected you by putting you in the friendzone and now your begging her to be sexual towards you in some hope that she will "come around" and you two will live happily ever after.

This sh*t makes me sick!

We have all been friendzoned and we all have this little hope that we will get with this girl who friendzoned us but looking into reality it happens maybe 1% of the time. There was a POF post that someone posted where a girl who got banged multiple times over the years kept this guy as a friend with no sexual contact for 15 years! 15 YEARS! FIFTEEEEEEEN YEARS! And then she finally gave him a chance. FIFTEEN YEARS! KEEP RE-READING THAT! That will be you if you dont let this girl go , she clearly has already let you go for other guys.

So why dont you let her go for another girl ?
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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All of this has been some excellent advice and exactly what I was looking for when posting. The interesting thing is that she has not been going out with any other guys during this whole time. How do I know? We created such a strong relationship that I was the first person she would talk to in the morning and the last person she would talk to before going to bed at 2 in the morning. This has not been the case ever since feeling "Friend Zoned" which could mean that now she is ****ing someone else. Who knows but I think everyone is right that it is easier to find someone new than wait around for this one that has all the qualities I am looking for.

Now my question is if I should cut off all access to communicating with me (IMs, Facebook, gChat, etc) and hide myself from her until she finds a way to communicate with me or do I keep her around but just leave it up to her to reach out to me instead of putting anymore time into this? Also, should I just confront her about the whole situation and call her out on the little game she has played then leave her with that feeling of "Wow I really ****ed up" or should I just leave it alone and move on without bringing attention to it?
 

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ArrJAy said:
Now my question is if I should cut off all access to communicating with me (IMs, Facebook, gChat, etc) and hide myself from her until she finds a way to communicate with me or do I keep her around but just leave it up to her to reach out to me instead of putting anymore time into this? Also, should I just confront her about the whole situation and call her out on the little game she has played then leave her with that feeling of "Wow I really ****ed up" or should I just leave it alone and move on without bringing attention to it?
GHost her.. AKA you are gone...
If you confront her.. This is what will happen, she will take your sh!t eat it and spit it back in your face with a smile... This is why...Her emotional attachment is not as strong as yours.. She will see right through your attempt to strong arm her back into good graces.. During the middle of the argument you will actually see your script getting flipped on YOU and she will have ALL the power... You wil cowl like a weak dog, because she already has this over you, and after she has made her point and left you speechless you will reflect on how utterly retarded it was that you did that because you are now one notch lower if not more, on her I will bang him belt than you were 5 minutes before you opened your stupid mouth ..

I say this with complete love and experience.. I know that pang in your stomach is there.. but it goes away, and it will go away faster if you do not dangle around her..

Ghost her and be gone. Months from now you will thank us.
 

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AS someone who was "family zoned" (yes i'm d man who first got there,no NOT anyone else ,i was first :) ), i know how it feels...
i have been friend zoned, best friendzoned, brother zoned, son zoned(a mature woman once said she wants me as a son...true it happened) family zoned and d o0nly thing i havent got to is father zoned...(anyone got there yet?)
anyway in this situation you should let go,my experience says friend's zone is not worth it, your heart will break and your life will b miserable

let go of her, for your own good,i seriously mean it
 

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really switch you need to write all your cases for us to read, because i'm sure I don't want to do what you did :), jokes aside

op, forget the girl, go ghost and let her talk with you but don't lose much time talking with her, keep distance and go find another girl, she already told you she is not worthy of you so move on and find someone worthy, next time maybe if she get better you can give her a chance but don't consider that.

so you need to ignore her, find another girl, be happy, possible she will be unhappy but that was her choice :)
 

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Consider it a lost battle for now. What you can try is to conduct an 'interest experiment'. Start going colder and colder progressively. When she asks, tell her you are/were busy. Lie your balls off if necessary. Tell her you were dating 2 girls, got into this, got into that, took a quick weekend trip here, took up this and am now studying that.

Gauge her reaction at this point. See what she says. If she feels offended that you had no time for her, you'll know she has some interest. If she could care less, well now you know, she doesn't give 2 sh!ts whether you live on the moon or not. Now might be your chance to start over and mack her differently.

Once again, this is very time consuming and may have results unwanted, so do try and just find someone else. You really cannot do much about low sexual interest and YOU need to Friend Zone her at this point.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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