getting excellent at dating to be a dating coach for money

[characternote]

You don’t need to be good with women to be a dating coach, just good at selling BS.

A million times this! I was watching some old Pickup stuff I found on my old laptop last week (premium products, infields etc) and I noticed, even more so than I did at the time, that most of these guys are actually WORSE at 'game' than the average guy on the street, They're mostly just weirdo's who realised they could make decent money by pretending to be some sort of stud in an unregulated industry where you can charge people thousands for 'coaching' lol.

The guys who made a tonne of money were just better at marketing than others. Nothing to do with their 'skill set' (assuming there even is such a thing. Over the years i've more or less decided that you need the bare minimum of 'game' to bang girls who are attracted to you, and there is no such level of 'game' to 'attract' the girls who very much are NOT attracted to you!)

not to mention that all of the info that exists about game and pickup is already all out there for free in the form of books and 'programs'. I have no idea how much longer these guys are going to be able to grift for lol. It's so mainstream now! I see vids about pushpull and how to talk to girls (that seemed to be almost ripped off of todd v verbatim) on random ticktok vids!!

 

[New_Journey]

I am still out of a job. Ridiculous. My skill sets are I am exxtremely fit and also good at dating both way above average compared to the average man.

So you mean beta bob from accounting is making bank and you are risking getting evicted from your apart? Damn that's crazy, who would've though that being fit and good at dating was a guarantee to getting a job.

im thinking of becoming REALLY good with women and putting my foucs on it not to get laid or get hotter girls but SOLELY for the purpose of making money teaching other men.

So you are thinking of making a plan to make another plan, that's not a good way to start.

Im going to do it regardless but would like some input.

Why would I pay you when you problably have fvcked only bunch of whales, but instead I can pay @BPH, who had a track reacord in here. Me as a potential investor think about you are risking getting evicted with no job on the side tu pursue your dreams, so you just gonna steal my money and run with it when you can't pay the rent.

 

[SW15]

beta bob from accounting

A lot of white collar Beta Bobs are getting laid off right now.

I can pay @BPH, who had a track reacord in here.

It's difficult for anyone to make money as a dating/seduction coach because that's a difficult business to scale.

@BPH is better off trying to get into some corporate sales job where charisma and persuasiveness from seduction might be a transferrable skill there.

This is a difficult economy for everyone.

There are lots of spending cutbacks on non-essential items. That's affecting all types of jobs. Sales and Marketing roles are usually the first ones cut at the corporate level in a recessionary period. Once the sales reps and marketers have been cut, then other white collar laborers are cut, then the lower wage service sector employees are cut.

The laid off males take the SMV hit in there, though having good looks can make up for it. @BPH is getting laid primarily on his looks without income and living with his parents in his late 20s/early 30s. He is nearly living the lifestyle Roosh described in this 2011 article. At the time Roosh wrote the article, he was 31 (nearly 32).

Getting Laid While Unemployed And Living In Your Dad’s Basement

 

[BPH]

So you mean beta bob from accounting is making bank and you are risking getting evicted from your apart? Damn that's crazy, who would've though that being fit and good at dating was a guarantee to getting a job.


So you are thinking of making a plan to make another plan, that's not a good way to start.


Why would I pay you when you problably have fvcked only bunch of whales, but instead I can pay @BPH, who had a track reacord in here. Me as a potential investor think about you are risking getting evicted with no job on the side tu pursue your dreams, so you just gonna steal my money and run with it when you can't pay the rent.

Well hey, look who's back. Saw you were banned, guess it was only temporary.

A lot of white collar Beta Bobs are getting laid off right now.



It's difficult for anyone to make money as a dating/seduction coach because that's a difficult business to scale.

@BPH is better off trying to get into some corporate sales job where charisma and persuasiveness from seduction might be a transferrable skill there.

This is a difficult economy for everyone.

There are lots of spending cutbacks on non-essential items. That's affecting all types of jobs. Sales and Marketing roles are usually the first ones cut at the corporate level in a recessionary period. Once the sales reps and marketers have been cut, then other white collar laborers are cut, then the lower wage service sector employees are cut.

The laid off males take the SMV hit in there, though having good looks can make up for it. @BPH is getting laid primarily on his looks without income and living with his parents in his late 20s/early 30s. He is nearly living the lifestyle Roosh described in this 2011 article. At the time Roosh wrote the article, he was 31 (nearly 32).

Getting Laid While Unemployed And Living In Your Dad’s Basement

I think you give my looks a lot of credit, but maybe a bit too much. Yeah, I'm good-looking and in great shape, but that was a conscious effort - in high school and the early years of college, I was tall, but I was also lanky, awkward, and still had my glasses.

I became good-looking because I went to the gym, adopted a strict diet, got LASIK for my eyes, wore braces to straighten my teeth, practiced good hygiene, regularly shaved, brushed my teeth, wore well-fitted clothes, etc.

The things I didn't have control over were my face, skin color, and height. All of which are good, but I'm not sitting here on autopilot with such Chad tier looks that I don't have to do anything to get laid.

Getting good enough at talking to women, being able to cold approach anyone and have a fluid conversation, becoming immune to rejection, and being able to read social cues to know when/if I could escalate with a woman did substantially more for me. Because I was able to make that work for me BEFORE I was good-looking.

Anyway, coaching men to improve their dating lives and get laid more is a problem I'd be happy to solve for others because I've solved it for myself. It doesn't have a high barrier to entry in terms of cost, just experience. I got a raise at my job to allow me to more comfortably experiment and potentially move out/buy a car once I pay off my student loan. So I'm happy to stay on that track and chip away at the problems that business will inevitably encounter.

 

[BaronOfHair]

You could become a gigolo.

And, Maker Of Life willing, a more successful one than Berenthal was, during his 1 season on Showtime

 

[Thebestthereeveris]

So you mean beta bob from accounting is making bank and you are risking getting evicted from your apart? Damn that's crazy, who would've though that being fit and good at dating was a guarantee to getting a job.


So you are thinking of making a plan to make another plan, that's not a good way to start.


Why would I pay you when you problably have fvcked only bunch of whales, but instead I can pay @BPH, who had a track reacord in here. Me as a potential investor think about you are risking getting evicted with no job on the side tu pursue your dreams, so you just gonna steal my money and run with it when you can't pay the rent.

bro your making so many assumptions on me lmfao. So pay him. I wouldnt want you as a client anyways. **** off

 

[SW15]

I think you give my looks a lot of credit, but maybe a bit too much. Yeah, I'm good-looking and in great shape, but that was a conscious effort - in high school and the early years of college, I was tall, but I was also lanky, awkward, and still had my glasses.

I became good-looking because I went to the gym, adopted a strict diet, got LASIK for my eyes, wore braces to straighten my teeth, practiced good hygiene, regularly shaved, brushed my teeth, wore well-fitted clothes, etc.

You improved your physique building muscles. You also improved your eyes and teeth.

One of my college classmates had to get surgery to improve his awful snoring to secure an LTR. No woman could sleep in the same bed with him and actually get restful sleep during the night because of his loud snoring.

You did work at your looks overall.

The things I didn't have control over were my face, skin color, and height. All of which are good, but I'm not sitting here on autopilot with such Chad tier looks that I don't have to do anything to get laid.

Valid point. The height is the biggest advantage as you hit the magical 6'0" threshold.

Getting good enough at talking to women, being able to cold approach anyone and have a fluid conversation, becoming immune to rejection, and being able to read social cues to know when/if I could escalate with a woman did substantially more for me. Because I was able to make that work for me BEFORE I was good-looking.

I have credited your personality before so it's not like I've said you are only looks. That is helpful stuff.

coaching men to improve their dating lives and get laid more is a problem I'd be happy to solve for others because I've solved it for myself. It doesn't have a high barrier to entry in terms of cost, just experience. I got a raise at my job to allow me to more comfortably experiment and potentially move out/buy a car once I pay off my student loan. So I'm happy to stay on that track and chip away at the problems that business will inevitably encounter.

You might be able to make that a 2nd income stream (side hustle) but it doesn't seem likely to be your sole means of support.

 

[New_Journey]

bro your making so many assumptions on me lmfao. So pay him. I wouldnt want you as a client anyways. **** off

So you have a plan to provide a service, but you want me to hire you based on what? I am the client, I gotta make sure you don't scam me, those are the assumptions that a rational person will make before hiring somebody.

Instead of convincing me with a plan that you won't run away with my money, now you don't want me to hire you and you want me to hire @BPH for the job, and you even insult me, a potential customer. You won't make it bro, if you can't hanlde the heat don't get in the kitchen.

 

[New_Journey]

Well hey, look who's back. Saw you were banned, guess it was only temporary.

Yeah, my knowing-all attitude and tone bothers members and mods. I guess I have to start using this size of font, so the impact of the truth won't be so destructive.

 

[Thebestthereeveris]

So you have a plan to provide a service, but you want me to hire you based on what? I am the client, I gotta make sure you don't scam me, those are the assumptions that a rational person will make before hiring somebody.

Instead of convincing me with a plan that you won't run away with my money, now you don't want me to hire you and you want me to hire @BPH for the job, and you even insult me, a potential customer. You won't make it bro, if you can't hanlde the heat don't get in the kitchen.

It's called respect. You came at me saying I date fatties and I'll run off with your money. **** off.

 

[Thebestthereeveris]

It's called respect. You came at me saying I date fatties and I'll run off with your money. **** off.

It's called respect. You came at me saying I date fatties and I'll run off with your money. **** off.

 

[New_Journey]

It's called respect. You came at me saying I date fatties and I'll run off with your money. **** off.

For a moment I thought the name was "Auntie"

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Just because you are good at dating doesn't mean you will be able to translate that knowledge into helping others become good at dating.

Very important distinction. Some of the best minds in a field are often times some of the worst teachers because they have an inability to break down topics and simplify them effectively to help those without their knowledge understand and learn them well.

Same reason why the best players and most talented players in sports usually don't make very good coaches. It's always the lower level players that has to work their "ass off" to even stay in the league who make the best coaches usually because they can relate to the struggles of players much more than the great player can becauss he just assumes "if you do what I did it's easy" but fails to realize 99% of the players can't do what he did to begin with.

Not saying you would or wouldn't be a good teacher, just making this important distinction that being good yourself at something and helping another person becomes good at that thing are two vastly different skill sets.

 

[Thebestthereeveris]

Just because you are good at dating doesn't mean you will be able to translate that knowledge into helping others become good at dating.

Very important distinction. Some of the best minds in a field are often times some of the worst teachers because they have an inability to break down topics and simplify them effectively to help those without their knowledge understand and learn them well.

Same reason why the best players and most talented players in sports usually don't make very good coaches. It's always the lower level players that has to work their "ass off" to even stay in the league who make the best coaches usually because they can relate to the struggles of players much more than the great player can becauss he just assumes "if you do what I did it's easy" but fails to realize 99% of the players can't do what he did to begin with.

Not saying you would or wouldn't be a good teacher, just making this important distinction that being good yourself at something and helping another person becomes good at that thing are two vastly different skill sets.

I understand. But I came from the bottom. Legit virgin till I was 17 and thought seeing a vagina was as likely as me seeing an alien in space. I went from that to cold approaching the hottest girl on my campus and actually getting her with her ENTHUSIASTICALLY giving her number cause I worked on it and she's never seen anything like it before. A lot of people who were naturally fit don't know how they got like that. I do. Now they are fat out of shape and ****ed. Same with the naturals I knew in highschool. They are all fat, have ugly wives, and are betatized to near extinction.

 

[CornbreadFed]

I understand. But I came from the bottom. Legit virgin till I was 17 and thought seeing a vagina was as likely as me seeing an alien in space. I went from that to cold approaching the hottest girl on my campus and actually getting her with her ENTHUSIASTICALLY giving her number cause I worked on it and she's never seen anything like it before. A lot of people who were naturally fit don't know how they got like that. I do. Now they are fat out of shape and ****ed. Same with the naturals I knew in highschool. They are all fat, have ugly wives, and are betatized to near extinction.

Any coach can tell a guy to go to the gym and learn a few tricks. What I see guys struggling the most with women is actually human communication 101 and not being a robot.

 

[Divorced w 3]

I am still out of a job. Ridiculous. My skill sets are I am exxtremely fit and also good at dating both way above average compared to the average man. I havent even focused on dating as much as i did in college but im thinking of becoming REALLY good with women and putting my foucs on it not to get laid or get hotter girls but SOLELY for the purpose of making money teaching other men. Honestly would like to hear your guys opinion on this. Im going to do it regardless but would like some input.

Start now what’s stopping you build a website do social media advertising there’s no reason you can’t moonlight on this. Get some income going and see if it’s a sustainable idea. I run a national sales practice more than 99% over video based conferencing get paid exactly like I would if they were sitting with me in person the amount of overhead I save and the amount of market I’ve captured is exponential I don’t think it’s even possible to qualify if you did, it would be an outstanding Percentage increase relative to in person coaching. I highly suggest you try. More than happy to help you get it started.