"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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George Sodini on SoSuave?

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Here's a chilling thought for you. By now, I'm sure most of you have heard the new about Sodini. He was a sexually frustrated 48 year old who decided to shoot up an aerobics class full of women.

He blogged about how he was constantly rejected by women and it drove him crazy. He complained about how he was normal looking but no woman would accept him. He was spotted at seminars on how to pickup chicks.

It occurred to me that he probably visited this website at some point. He was a systems analyst, so he spent a lot of time working on the computer. Chances are he Googled websites about being successful with women and this website has to be among the first few hits. I wonder if he had an account on these forums.
 

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Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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:nervous: OOoooOOOoo! That's a creepy thought.....:nervous:

There's a guy I work with not unlike George, early 50"s, horrible at social skills, lives alone and chain smokes. Never goes out, has no friends and hasn't had a girlfriend in YEARS (if EVER).

You can't be nice or friendly to him because he like...pounces on you. I'd smile and say good morning, "look" at him when he'd speak and be polite. He took this as interest on my part. He'd get drunk and call up and tell me how he loved me.

He'd stand right beside me at work..."Can I help you with that? You want me to do anything for you? I've got movies if you want to borrow them. We have a lot in comon you know." This went on ALL FREAKING DAY!

I finally screamed at him to leave me alone or I'd tell management he was harrassing me. He backed off. Now I treat him like crap and he's easier to work with. If you can stand the "kicked puppy" stares from across the office.

I think this George guy was the same way. The slightest bit of kindness was interperted at passionate love and he would start talking wedding rings and china patterns at the end of the second date.

Desperation kills desire.
 

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im sorry, but thats just fúcked up

WaterTiger said:
:nervous: OOoooOOOoo! That's a creepy thought.....:nervous:

There's a guy I work with not unlike George, early 50"s, horrible at social skills, lives alone and chain smokes. Never goes out, has no friends and hasn't had a girlfriend in YEARS (if EVER).

You can't be nice or friendly to him because he like...pounces on you. I'd smile and say good morning, "look" at him when he'd speak and be polite. He took this as interest on my part. He'd get drunk and call up and tell me how he loved me.

He'd stand right beside me at work..."Can I help you with that? You want me to do anything for you? I've got movies if you want to borrow them. We have a lot in comon you know." This went on ALL FREAKING DAY!

I finally screamed at him to leave me alone or I'd tell management he was harrassing me. He backed off. Now I treat him like crap and he's easier to work with. If you can stand the "kicked puppy" stares from across the office.

I think this George guy was the same way. The slightest bit of kindness was interperted at passionate love and he would start talking wedding rings and china patterns at the end of the second date.

Desperation kills desire.
 

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WaterTiger said:
:nervous: OOoooOOOoo! That's a creepy thought.....:nervous:

There's a guy I work with not unlike George, early 50"s, horrible at social skills, lives alone and chain smokes. Never goes out, has no friends and hasn't had a girlfriend in YEARS (if EVER).

You can't be nice or friendly to him because he like...pounces on you. I'd smile and say good morning, "look" at him when he'd speak and be polite. He took this as interest on my part. He'd get drunk and call up and tell me how he loved me.

He'd stand right beside me at work..."Can I help you with that? You want me to do anything for you? I've got movies if you want to borrow them. We have a lot in comon you know." This went on ALL FREAKING DAY!

I finally screamed at him to leave me alone or I'd tell management he was harrassing me. He backed off. Now I treat him like crap and he's easier to work with. If you can stand the "kicked puppy" stares from across the office.

I think this George guy was the same way. The slightest bit of kindness was interperted at passionate love and he would start talking wedding rings and china patterns at the end of the second date.

Desperation kills desire.

That honestly sucks. Did you consider that nobody ever told him that his "over the top" acceptance and desire for friends ruined the whole thing?
 

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Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

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My ex recently acquired yet another stalker. He is a 50 year old chiropractor that has never had a girlfriend. I gave him a threatening call, but he didnt stop. Thats all I'm doing though. She has moved anyway, so problem solved. She got a DUI, and went to AA, and he was her sponsor. Pretty soon, she started getting bombarded with texts like "God told me we were meant to be together." "I love you" and "we're soulmates". After the fact, she was warned that he is potentially psycho, cuz he's never had a GF. I guess he has some kind of black belt too. I wonder how he reacted to the George Sodini story! I wonder if it is giving him (or any other guy in a similar situation) ideas, actually.

I really do feel bad for the guy. Thats why I haven done anything else. Its not my problem anyway, but I did my token threatening phone call. I almost directed him to this site, while I was having my 'chat' with him, actually. My ex is incredibly seductive, and has a strong tendency to give guys the wrong impression. She has no friendship boundaries. She treats her guy friends like they are almost boyfriends. Thats one of many reasons I broke up with her. She brings this shyt on herself.

I believe girls like my ex, that dont realize the effect (or dont care) they have on guys lives when they break the friendship boundary, make up a large portion of why people like George feel so lonely. Its like they give them a small taste of what it's like to have a (seemingly) amazing girl in their lives, but dont go there. It really is sad. I have literally had an attempt on my life by one of my ex's stalkers. As much as I hate the guy, for what he did to me, I understand why he was driven to such extremes. Thats why I went easy on him in court.
 

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I know you like to hear yourself talk, so I put your whole quote down. NO, George did NOT drink for most of his life. Why don't you read his blog before you speculate?:down:

I think Sodini had great social skills in fact. Once again. Read the fvcking blog before you speculate. I'm not really sure what his problem was. I'm still trying to figure that out. But guess what? I'm not going to speculate until I have a good working theory.

WaterTiger said:
:nervous: OOoooOOOoo! That's a creepy thought.....:nervous:

There's a guy I work with not unlike George, early 50"s, horrible at social skills, lives alone and chain smokes. Never goes out, has no friends and hasn't had a girlfriend in YEARS (if EVER).

You can't be nice or friendly to him because he like...pounces on you. I'd smile and say good morning, "look" at him when he'd speak and be polite. He took this as interest on my part. He'd get drunk and call up and tell me how he loved me.

He'd stand right beside me at work..."Can I help you with that? You want me to do anything for you? I've got movies if you want to borrow them. We have a lot in comon you know." This went on ALL FREAKING DAY!

I finally screamed at him to leave me alone or I'd tell management he was harrassing me. He backed off. Now I treat him like crap and he's easier to work with. If you can stand the "kicked puppy" stares from across the office.

I think this George guy was the same way. The slightest bit of kindness was interperted at passionate love and he would start talking wedding rings and china patterns at the end of the second date.

Desperation kills desire.
 

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"It occurred to me that he probably visited this website at some point."

Its possible but its not extremely likely that he did.

He worked on the internet.

So what?

Doesn't mean he definitely would have found this place.

Sh!t I was an internet addict for years and never came across Sosuave until a random poster put up a link to it on a site I used to post at.

Anyway its far more likely he'd encounter Mystery or whoever that guy was who had a TV show than Sosuave.

Besides fingz, ThunderMaverick, iqqi and MikeYikes are still active posters on NLG as is LastManStanding which narrows down the list of suspects who George could have been posting as. :crackup:
 

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Duffdog said:
That honestly sucks. Did you consider that nobody ever told him that his "over the top" acceptance and desire for friends ruined the whole thing?
Yes, as a matter of fact, a few months ago a male co-worker DID tell him he was "trying too hard". This was instantly followed by tons of phone calls to his home & cell, following him around at work with constant questions about: "What do I do? How do I do it? Etc, etc, etc..." The poor co-worker became a one man So Suave for this guy. (The co-worker now works for another company.)

I know I got smacked hard from the guys here for yelling at this guy, but YOU don't have to work with him. You have no idea how creepy and clingy he is. Any kindness or advice given to him unlocks a flood gate of unwanted attention.

Fertile Turtle: I'm sorry I didn't make myself clear in my post. I didn't mean to imply that George drank. I'm just saying the guy I work with reminds me of George, from what I've read about him.
 

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WaterTiger said:
:nervous: OOoooOOOoo! That's a creepy thought.....:nervous:

There's a guy I work with not unlike George, early 50"s, horrible at social skills, lives alone and chain smokes. Never goes out, has no friends and hasn't had a girlfriend in YEARS (if EVER).

You can't be nice or friendly to him because he like...pounces on you. I'd smile and say good morning, "look" at him when he'd speak and be polite. He took this as interest on my part. He'd get drunk and call up and tell me how he loved me.

He'd stand right beside me at work..."Can I help you with that? You want me to do anything for you? I've got movies if you want to borrow them. We have a lot in comon you know." This went on ALL FREAKING DAY!

I finally screamed at him to leave me alone or I'd tell management he was harrassing me. He backed off. Now I treat him like crap and he's easier to work with. If you can stand the "kicked puppy" stares from across the office.

I think this George guy was the same way. The slightest bit of kindness was interperted at passionate love and he would start talking wedding rings and china patterns at the end of the second date.

Desperation kills desire.
wowwwwwwwwwwwwww :eek:
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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WaterTiger said:
:nervous: OOoooOOOoo! That's a creepy thought.....:nervous:

There's a guy I work with not unlike George, early 50"s, horrible at social skills, lives alone and chain smokes. Never goes out, has no friends and hasn't had a girlfriend in YEARS (if EVER).

You can't be nice or friendly to him because he like...pounces on you. I'd smile and say good morning, "look" at him when he'd speak and be polite. He took this as interest on my part. He'd get drunk and call up and tell me how he loved me.

He'd stand right beside me at work..."Can I help you with that? You want me to do anything for you? I've got movies if you want to borrow them. We have a lot in comon you know." This went on ALL FREAKING DAY!

I finally screamed at him to leave me alone or I'd tell management he was harrassing me. He backed off. Now I treat him like crap and he's easier to work with. If you can stand the "kicked puppy" stares from across the office.

I think this George guy was the same way. The slightest bit of kindness was interperted at passionate love and he would start talking wedding rings and china patterns at the end of the second date.

Desperation kills desire.
Every time someone brings up a ridiculous story about their AFC friends, it always brings up a good memory of mine. This reminds me of a time when I had a crush on a girl and I thought she liked me because she was the only one that would actually talk back to me on MSN Messenger. On the third day that we started talking, I remember specifically telling her "You're so beautiful, you're like love's own flower..." Every time I think back to that moment, I go :crazy:
 

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WaterTiger said:
Fertile Turtle: I'm sorry I didn't make myself clear in my post. I didn't mean to imply that George drank. I'm just saying the guy I work with reminds me of George, from what I've read about him.
I understand what you are saying about the afc. Good story.

Why don't you read George Sodini's blog and post what you think under the OP topic in anything else. Interested to hear what you think this man's problem was. Peace.
 
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