"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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George Sodini on SoSuave?

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Here's a chilling thought for you. By now, I'm sure most of you have heard the new about Sodini. He was a sexually frustrated 48 year old who decided to shoot up an aerobics class full of women.

He blogged about how he was constantly rejected by women and it drove him crazy. He complained about how he was normal looking but no woman would accept him. He was spotted at seminars on how to pickup chicks.

It occurred to me that he probably visited this website at some point. He was a systems analyst, so he spent a lot of time working on the computer. Chances are he Googled websites about being successful with women and this website has to be among the first few hits. I wonder if he had an account on these forums.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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:nervous: OOoooOOOoo! That's a creepy thought.....:nervous:

There's a guy I work with not unlike George, early 50"s, horrible at social skills, lives alone and chain smokes. Never goes out, has no friends and hasn't had a girlfriend in YEARS (if EVER).

You can't be nice or friendly to him because he like...pounces on you. I'd smile and say good morning, "look" at him when he'd speak and be polite. He took this as interest on my part. He'd get drunk and call up and tell me how he loved me.

He'd stand right beside me at work..."Can I help you with that? You want me to do anything for you? I've got movies if you want to borrow them. We have a lot in comon you know." This went on ALL FREAKING DAY!

I finally screamed at him to leave me alone or I'd tell management he was harrassing me. He backed off. Now I treat him like crap and he's easier to work with. If you can stand the "kicked puppy" stares from across the office.

I think this George guy was the same way. The slightest bit of kindness was interperted at passionate love and he would start talking wedding rings and china patterns at the end of the second date.

Desperation kills desire.
 

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im sorry, but thats just fúcked up

WaterTiger said:
:nervous: OOoooOOOoo! That's a creepy thought.....:nervous:

There's a guy I work with not unlike George, early 50"s, horrible at social skills, lives alone and chain smokes. Never goes out, has no friends and hasn't had a girlfriend in YEARS (if EVER).

You can't be nice or friendly to him because he like...pounces on you. I'd smile and say good morning, "look" at him when he'd speak and be polite. He took this as interest on my part. He'd get drunk and call up and tell me how he loved me.

He'd stand right beside me at work..."Can I help you with that? You want me to do anything for you? I've got movies if you want to borrow them. We have a lot in comon you know." This went on ALL FREAKING DAY!

I finally screamed at him to leave me alone or I'd tell management he was harrassing me. He backed off. Now I treat him like crap and he's easier to work with. If you can stand the "kicked puppy" stares from across the office.

I think this George guy was the same way. The slightest bit of kindness was interperted at passionate love and he would start talking wedding rings and china patterns at the end of the second date.

Desperation kills desire.
 

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WaterTiger said:
:nervous: OOoooOOOoo! That's a creepy thought.....:nervous:

There's a guy I work with not unlike George, early 50"s, horrible at social skills, lives alone and chain smokes. Never goes out, has no friends and hasn't had a girlfriend in YEARS (if EVER).

You can't be nice or friendly to him because he like...pounces on you. I'd smile and say good morning, "look" at him when he'd speak and be polite. He took this as interest on my part. He'd get drunk and call up and tell me how he loved me.

He'd stand right beside me at work..."Can I help you with that? You want me to do anything for you? I've got movies if you want to borrow them. We have a lot in comon you know." This went on ALL FREAKING DAY!

I finally screamed at him to leave me alone or I'd tell management he was harrassing me. He backed off. Now I treat him like crap and he's easier to work with. If you can stand the "kicked puppy" stares from across the office.

I think this George guy was the same way. The slightest bit of kindness was interperted at passionate love and he would start talking wedding rings and china patterns at the end of the second date.

Desperation kills desire.

That honestly sucks. Did you consider that nobody ever told him that his "over the top" acceptance and desire for friends ruined the whole thing?
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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My ex recently acquired yet another stalker. He is a 50 year old chiropractor that has never had a girlfriend. I gave him a threatening call, but he didnt stop. Thats all I'm doing though. She has moved anyway, so problem solved. She got a DUI, and went to AA, and he was her sponsor. Pretty soon, she started getting bombarded with texts like "God told me we were meant to be together." "I love you" and "we're soulmates". After the fact, she was warned that he is potentially psycho, cuz he's never had a GF. I guess he has some kind of black belt too. I wonder how he reacted to the George Sodini story! I wonder if it is giving him (or any other guy in a similar situation) ideas, actually.

I really do feel bad for the guy. Thats why I haven done anything else. Its not my problem anyway, but I did my token threatening phone call. I almost directed him to this site, while I was having my 'chat' with him, actually. My ex is incredibly seductive, and has a strong tendency to give guys the wrong impression. She has no friendship boundaries. She treats her guy friends like they are almost boyfriends. Thats one of many reasons I broke up with her. She brings this shyt on herself.

I believe girls like my ex, that dont realize the effect (or dont care) they have on guys lives when they break the friendship boundary, make up a large portion of why people like George feel so lonely. Its like they give them a small taste of what it's like to have a (seemingly) amazing girl in their lives, but dont go there. It really is sad. I have literally had an attempt on my life by one of my ex's stalkers. As much as I hate the guy, for what he did to me, I understand why he was driven to such extremes. Thats why I went easy on him in court.
 

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I know you like to hear yourself talk, so I put your whole quote down. NO, George did NOT drink for most of his life. Why don't you read his blog before you speculate?:down:

I think Sodini had great social skills in fact. Once again. Read the fvcking blog before you speculate. I'm not really sure what his problem was. I'm still trying to figure that out. But guess what? I'm not going to speculate until I have a good working theory.

WaterTiger said:
:nervous: OOoooOOOoo! That's a creepy thought.....:nervous:

There's a guy I work with not unlike George, early 50"s, horrible at social skills, lives alone and chain smokes. Never goes out, has no friends and hasn't had a girlfriend in YEARS (if EVER).

You can't be nice or friendly to him because he like...pounces on you. I'd smile and say good morning, "look" at him when he'd speak and be polite. He took this as interest on my part. He'd get drunk and call up and tell me how he loved me.

He'd stand right beside me at work..."Can I help you with that? You want me to do anything for you? I've got movies if you want to borrow them. We have a lot in comon you know." This went on ALL FREAKING DAY!

I finally screamed at him to leave me alone or I'd tell management he was harrassing me. He backed off. Now I treat him like crap and he's easier to work with. If you can stand the "kicked puppy" stares from across the office.

I think this George guy was the same way. The slightest bit of kindness was interperted at passionate love and he would start talking wedding rings and china patterns at the end of the second date.

Desperation kills desire.
 

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"It occurred to me that he probably visited this website at some point."

Its possible but its not extremely likely that he did.

He worked on the internet.

So what?

Doesn't mean he definitely would have found this place.

Sh!t I was an internet addict for years and never came across Sosuave until a random poster put up a link to it on a site I used to post at.

Anyway its far more likely he'd encounter Mystery or whoever that guy was who had a TV show than Sosuave.

Besides fingz, ThunderMaverick, iqqi and MikeYikes are still active posters on NLG as is LastManStanding which narrows down the list of suspects who George could have been posting as. :crackup:
 

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Duffdog said:
That honestly sucks. Did you consider that nobody ever told him that his "over the top" acceptance and desire for friends ruined the whole thing?
Yes, as a matter of fact, a few months ago a male co-worker DID tell him he was "trying too hard". This was instantly followed by tons of phone calls to his home & cell, following him around at work with constant questions about: "What do I do? How do I do it? Etc, etc, etc..." The poor co-worker became a one man So Suave for this guy. (The co-worker now works for another company.)

I know I got smacked hard from the guys here for yelling at this guy, but YOU don't have to work with him. You have no idea how creepy and clingy he is. Any kindness or advice given to him unlocks a flood gate of unwanted attention.

Fertile Turtle: I'm sorry I didn't make myself clear in my post. I didn't mean to imply that George drank. I'm just saying the guy I work with reminds me of George, from what I've read about him.
 

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WaterTiger said:
:nervous: OOoooOOOoo! That's a creepy thought.....:nervous:

There's a guy I work with not unlike George, early 50"s, horrible at social skills, lives alone and chain smokes. Never goes out, has no friends and hasn't had a girlfriend in YEARS (if EVER).

You can't be nice or friendly to him because he like...pounces on you. I'd smile and say good morning, "look" at him when he'd speak and be polite. He took this as interest on my part. He'd get drunk and call up and tell me how he loved me.

He'd stand right beside me at work..."Can I help you with that? You want me to do anything for you? I've got movies if you want to borrow them. We have a lot in comon you know." This went on ALL FREAKING DAY!

I finally screamed at him to leave me alone or I'd tell management he was harrassing me. He backed off. Now I treat him like crap and he's easier to work with. If you can stand the "kicked puppy" stares from across the office.

I think this George guy was the same way. The slightest bit of kindness was interperted at passionate love and he would start talking wedding rings and china patterns at the end of the second date.

Desperation kills desire.
wowwwwwwwwwwwwww :eek:
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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WaterTiger said:
:nervous: OOoooOOOoo! That's a creepy thought.....:nervous:

There's a guy I work with not unlike George, early 50"s, horrible at social skills, lives alone and chain smokes. Never goes out, has no friends and hasn't had a girlfriend in YEARS (if EVER).

You can't be nice or friendly to him because he like...pounces on you. I'd smile and say good morning, "look" at him when he'd speak and be polite. He took this as interest on my part. He'd get drunk and call up and tell me how he loved me.

He'd stand right beside me at work..."Can I help you with that? You want me to do anything for you? I've got movies if you want to borrow them. We have a lot in comon you know." This went on ALL FREAKING DAY!

I finally screamed at him to leave me alone or I'd tell management he was harrassing me. He backed off. Now I treat him like crap and he's easier to work with. If you can stand the "kicked puppy" stares from across the office.

I think this George guy was the same way. The slightest bit of kindness was interperted at passionate love and he would start talking wedding rings and china patterns at the end of the second date.

Desperation kills desire.
Every time someone brings up a ridiculous story about their AFC friends, it always brings up a good memory of mine. This reminds me of a time when I had a crush on a girl and I thought she liked me because she was the only one that would actually talk back to me on MSN Messenger. On the third day that we started talking, I remember specifically telling her "You're so beautiful, you're like love's own flower..." Every time I think back to that moment, I go :crazy:
 

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WaterTiger said:
Fertile Turtle: I'm sorry I didn't make myself clear in my post. I didn't mean to imply that George drank. I'm just saying the guy I work with reminds me of George, from what I've read about him.
I understand what you are saying about the afc. Good story.

Why don't you read George Sodini's blog and post what you think under the OP topic in anything else. Interested to hear what you think this man's problem was. Peace.
 
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