Gen Z boys (ages 14 to 29) want kids whilst girls are rethinking

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I recently asked one of my teenage classes during our ‘family life’ topic to weigh up their pros and cons of having children in the future. Although retrospectively understandable, I was initially surprised by the stark gender divide in their responses. In this class of thirty, all of the boys stated they would absolutely like to have children within the next decade, all with a huge amount of ‘pros’ listed and very few ‘cons.’ Meanwhile, the girls remained on the fence, weighing up many factors and often leaning slightly more to not having children, especially within the next decade.


As a generation, we are all reaching milestones far later than our parents or grandparents. The median age to get married has risen by eight years since the 1950s, whilst Gen Z opts to have children five to ten years later than our grandparents. This delay is of course due to both shifting norms and career and education focus; however, a huge contributing factor in this disparity is of course the rise in daily prices. Necessities such as rent, groceries, and childcare have soared, with a 500% rise in consumer prices since 1970. Perhaps Gen Z often just simply cannot afford to have children.

This, however, wouldn’t explain the gender disparity for the desire of having children. Men and women are equally affected by the rise of prices and the cost-of-living crisis; however, when it comes to young, unmarried people, it is men who want children, whilst women have questions. This observation is reinforced by Pew Research’s (2023) The ‘Want’ Gap, which evaluates that childless men are statistically more likely than childless women to say they want to be parents someday (57% of men vs. 45% of women).

This led me to a necessary question: Have we actually reached parental equity? Because even in an era of supposed progress, the concepts of 'motherhood' and 'fatherhood' remain deeply steeped in gendered stereotypes and lopsided expectations.

This ‘sweetness’ we project onto men is, in many ways, a symptom of our lack of true parental equity. If we truly lived in a world where the domestic burden was shared, a father with his children wouldn't be a spectacle of cuteness; it would just be another Saturday.

Of course, one of the first points to mention in this gender disparity is the physical trauma (or miracle, depending on your perspective) the body is put through during childbirth.

For the boys in my classroom, the ‘pros’ of fatherhood often looked like a highlight reel: playing football in the park, passing on a surname, or passing on traditions. It seemed to be an additive experience to their already rich lives. In contrast, the girls focused on the physical bodily trauma and more on the day-to-day, often mundane parts of parenthood. The so-called ‘invisible labour’ which often still falls onto women in the house.

For a generation who have largely watched their own mothers ‘do it all’ at the cost of their own burnout, being ‘on the fence’ isn't an act of indecision. My birthday and Christmas cards for my mum often depicted her as a ‘superhero,’ a woman who did (and does) it all with a smile on her face. This is all absolutely true, she is a superhero, but calling her one feels like a convenient way to ignore how much she was expected to carry. As I grow up, my admiration grows more and more for my mum who was the main breadwinner, cook, cleaner, child carer, driver, family therapist, and did all the laundry. This, with four children aged under eight years old and a full-time teaching position: quite a feat.

While I was working as a cashier alongside doing my A-levels, I remember a moment that a dad came to the checkout with his baby strapped to his stomach and a toddler following behind. I caught myself thinking, ‘oh gosh how sweet is that!’ Hundreds of mums walked through that farm shop with toddlers in tow and I didn’t have anything close to this reaction. Perhaps the sweetness I felt was actually a subconscious acknowledgement of rarity. This is absolutely not to say that involved dads aren't working hard or that their bond with their children is any less profound; it is simply a reflection of a culture that still treats male parenting as a choice to be celebrated, rather than a standard to be met.

Perhaps then, the reason so many young women are thinking twice before having children is a calculated response to a domestic structure that still expects women to be the primary shock-absorbers for family life. Of course, this has largely always been the case (women taking on the role of housemaid), but now women face a ‘double burden,’ lying at the meeting point of tradition and modernity.

This meeting point is where the friction lies. We live in an era where women are encouraged to be CEOs and breadwinners, yet the home hasn't caught up. It is the ‘Second Shift’ phenomenon; research by University College London found that even when women earn more than their partners, they still perform the vast majority of housework and childcare. According to Pew Research, fathers still get about three hours more leisure time per week than mothers.

It’s no wonder the girls in my classroom are hesitant. They see that fatherhood is often viewed as a rewarding addition to a man’s life, whilst motherhood is still treated as a woman’s entire infrastructure. Until a father with a buggy is just another Saturday rather than a sweet rarity, that gender gap in the classroom will likely remain.

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As a generation, we are all reaching milestones far later than our parents or grandparents
When we

-Warehouse kids for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week in K-12s, were going to the toilet without first begging some 1/8th wit who was unfit for a high-paying career out in reality for permission, or/and speaking of the staff in anything other than reverent tones = Being penalized

-Restrict the sort of video games this same demographic are allowed to purchase on their own + The films their allowed to see at the multiplexes

-Arrest the under 18 crowd for hanging around in a public park or a shopping mall alone or with a few compares. Even when they're not being disruptive, etc etc

The dangers of folks here in The Anglosphere subsequently remaining in an indefinite state of adolescence(I.E. Not reaching "milestones") become stronger than prospects of an albino in rural Tanzania being carved up in a muti murder, before the week is out

"For a generation who have largely watched their own mothers ‘do it all’ at the cost of their own burnout, being ‘on the fence’ isn't an act of indecision"

And if fewer gals stop leaving their husbands to "explore their sexuality", with some chick down at the office who turns out to not even be especially lesbian/returns to dating men after a few months, THIS problem all but vanishes. Faster than 90% of the dope sitting in DEA lock up does each year
 

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I can understand why the girls in the class would have more questions about it. A lot of guys probably imagine the fun side of having kids, like playing with them, teaching them things, and watching them grow up, while women are more likely to think about everything that comes with actually raising them.

For me, I still want kids. I know it means I’d have to do my share at home, and honestly, I’d rather do that than have my future wife go through the same kind of burnout that a lot of women have experienced. If I’m going to have a family, I want to be part of the whole thing, not just the fun parts. I’m not married yet though, so I also try not to pretend I know exactly what my future will look like. A lot can change between now and then.

I think that’s probably the biggest difference here. Wanting children is easy to imagine when you’re only thinking about the good parts. Once you start thinking about the reality of it, there’s a lot more to consider.
 

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Advice from the old lady:

Let's call it what it really is: The lie feminism has been selling for decades....

(Sexy woman singing) "I can bring home the bacon....Fry it up in a pan.....And never never let you forget you're a man! Cause I'm a woman!...."

It was a perfume commercial in the early 80s.

I have done the sole breadwinner thing, had a house husband for 12 years, and had 3 kids and a solid business career. It is socially and societally backwards. My first husband wasn't invited to "Mother's Day Out", and the working husbands didn't want to talk business with me at social functions because the wives would raise an eyebrow. So although we had a nice lifestyle we didn't really fit in at the affluent circles were ran in. Men were supposed to be the family earner and women were priviledged to be in the home raising children. We did not fit that mold & were seen as odd, no matter how successful I was.

And something has to give. Children are exhausting. Pregnancy is exhausting, and you risk losing your shape and scarring and irreversible changes. Men don't have those worries. You cannot be a great Mom and great career woman, I don't care what anyone says, and many young women buy into the idea that they'd rather put themselves first because pregnancy and childbirth is a more serious commitment for a woman than for a man.

I was as good a mother as I could manage, but I was gone alot, and that affected my relationships with my girls much more than with my son. It was good they had their dad in the home, and he's a loving dad, but its not the same thing. My girls are in no real hurry to start families. They are both Meh on the whole dating thing frankly. They might just as well have girlfriends than boyfriends, which I'm not crazy about, but I think it is a by product of me having to shoulder the man's normal role in their raising. I hope they grow through all that type confusion, and the education environs these days don't help.

My daughter in law is a young mother, happily so, and she and my son fully embrace family life & traditional gender roles, and I know other young couples who also embody those trad con ways. But that lifestyle frankly requires a young man to have his act together, and let's be real, many do not.

Family life has been dissed by the feminists for two generations. Much of these attitudes are fallout from that in my view.
 

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@BeExcellent "Pregnancy is exhausting, and you risk losing your shape and scarring and irreversible changes. Men don't have those worries"

Male equivalents would be the macho fantasies many of us entertain, prior to enlisting + Going out of our way to get into an MOS where gunfights are pretty much guaranteed Vs The reality of said vocations

Such a man similarly cannot have the "normal" life enjoyed his peers who either did a 3 year hitch, then returned to civilian life, or who picked a less intense MOS. It's not for naught that so many men who've actually led the lives glorified in Call Of Duty and Tom Clancy adaptations counsel young hoppers today: "DO.NOT go the route I have... Be happy being a regular guy, with regular problems which rarely get hairier than paying your cell phone bill and occasionally quibbling with Bob down in Receiving, over whether or not Tyson in his prime could've thrashed Ali"

Same way Candace Bushnell and so many of her ilk now publicly mourn having spent ages 19-38 living just like Sex And The City girls in RL, yet never becoming wives and mothers
 
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Family life has been dissed by the feminists for two generations. Much of these attitudes are fallout from that in my view.
I think that feminism in the idea that women can choose what they want to do and are not obliged to fit a certain role, is a good thing

the problem from my point of view is that feminism went to extremism by painting that being a wife puts a woman in an inferior place, that children are a burden, men are evil, and the only way to live is being hyper independent

this extremist path only leads to loneliness and chronic depression , which we see more and more from a younger and younger age

a fair take for example would that be just as motherhood is not for everyone, so it is not to be career driven is for everyone, and that women can choose what they want and it should not face backlash for whatever they choose
 
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