"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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fvcking girls you meet at the club/bars

garruk

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quick question: how many of you go out clubbing or to bars and are able to fvck close girls you meet that very night?

im having trouble getting girls to come back with me, because honestly its alot of trouble for the girl as well. if they came with their friends, they often have to worry about driving back from my place or just traveling too far from where they live.

is there anything you more experienced club-goers can offer?

alot of times i think im able to kiss close and really get her into me but transitioning into her coming home with you seems like such a jump in difficulty.

thanks guys
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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I live in the city, man. So my apartment is just a taxi ride away.

But even if you don't live in the city. Don't let that be a crutch. If a girl's gonna come home with you, it's gonna happen. We're talking about sex here...when the girl's all horny and ready to bang, she's not going to be thinking of the logistical complexities of getting to or from your house.

Tell her to come by for a few more drinks, real innocent and friendly. If she asks how she's gonna get home, tell her you'll drive her. Whatever. Just get her home with you.

Girls will leave their friends behind for a guy. I see it happen all the time. I've had plenty of club/bar one-night stands....and trust me, neither you or the girl are thinking logically at that point in the night. Where there's a will to bang, there's a way to bang. Don't fret.
 

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garruk said:
quick question: how many of you go out clubbing or to bars and are able to fvck close girls you meet that very night?

im having trouble getting girls to come back with me, because honestly its alot of trouble for the girl as well. if they came with their friends, they often have to worry about driving back from my place or just traveling too far from where they live.

is there anything you more experienced club-goers can offer?

alot of times i think im able to kiss close and really get her into me but transitioning into her coming home with you seems like such a jump in difficulty.

thanks guys
yup jits called getting lucky.. and 90% of the time you wont..!!! its very hard to get a girl home with you in the first place but if you do iit the same night you have a 90% chance of Fiing cause she knows there is only one thing to do at 3am when the club closes..

Most times you will have to wait a few days and get her to com over but at tat point you have a 50% chance of Fing due to the million variables that can affect a womasn second by second decision making... alcachol helps alot . but many women want to score illigal drugs which i dont have.. so that can be proble.. i will often lie and say yes i have weed but wen they get here i make and excuse but sometimes they get pissed and call one of the 3 million other men on her list..lol

It all boils down to luck.. Looks money game all that increases your odds but at the end of the day we have to get lucky.
 

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Here is how i've done it.

If it is summer - "hey let's go for a walk" take her outside of club go to some alley or park do her there.


another good one was actually used on ME by a girl, she said after some dancing "do you want to go to my car?" - yes mam! Used it a couple of times too.


You can always tell her you can come back to the club later.
 

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how old are you?

age matters, it will be MUCH harder with some younger girls who still live at home, and amny of the younger ones go out for the attention, to dance, get free drinks...
how far you and her had to go to get to the club (which is down to luck)
also the type of club and the crowd that goes there can have a big clue as to wether you wil or not get anything

its also about being oportunistic and being good at spotting the ones who look like they will hook up
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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DonGorgon said:
It all boils down to luck.. Looks money game all that increases your odds but at the end of the day we have to get lucky.
Bullsh*t. Luck is what you get when you don't know how it happened. Skill is when everything goes according to plan :cool:
 

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Gratitude to Braddock on Attractionforums. Have a read of this. Basic simple pointers if you're looking for Club/Bar One Night Stands.

If you are a guy that is ONLY looking for same night lays, here are a few things that will help you have more consistent success. There are so many things that go into having good same night game and there are so many different styles you can take. Remember, these are just generalities. Every girl has a different blueprint that may take one or several of the things mentioned below.

Some guys go super sexual verbally and escalate really fast, some guys are all about sexual framing, some guys are all about building massive comfort, and other guys are all about building huge amounts of sexual tension through push/pull until the girl basically pulls them into the bedroom (my personal favorite). Maybe one day I will have time to write extensively on same night lay game, but for now here are a few pointers that should help…

SNL Threshold: Any girl can turn into a snl. Even the sweetest girl or most high value woman in the world “could” have a same night lay. If the right guy came along at the right time, it could happen. Tyler D used to say that it’s all about finding her blueprint.

The problem is that each woman has a different threshold for what it would take to have sex with a guy the same night. Some women will literally go their entire life and never have sex with a guy the same night she met him, because her threshold is so high. Not because she's "so moral" but because so many strange variables would have to be covered it would be almost impossible. Some women’s threshold is so high that it’s impossible for almost anyone on the planet to get there in one night.

The thought of having sex on the same night for some women might be so taboo that no matter how turned on, attracted, and comfortable with the guy she was, her threshold might only be met by a guy who looks like Brad Pitt, runs perfect game, logistically her friends couldn't know about it, it had to be the perfect location, and she has to be feeling XYZ feelings etc etc etc....

If one of those things was off, she wouldn't have sex. The moon, the sun, and the stars would have to align for you to have sex with her that night.

Most girls aren't like this, I'm just making the case for some women so you don't beat yourself up every time a woman won't go home with you.

The point is that if you are obsessed with same night lays, you need to get good at reading girls thresholds. I’m not talking about listening to what she says exactly…..IE “You know I’m not going to have sex with you right?” We all know what she can say, often times betrays what she really feels.

No, what I’m talking about are things that are obvious red flags that “most of the time” spell an extremely high threshold that will put the breaks on the same night lay later that night.

If she gives major resistance to any of the below….next set!
If you are obsessed with SNL’s than you will want to screen any girl out that has a moderate to high threshold. Screen for girls that have a medium to low same night threshold.

(All these assume you understand calibration and assume you had massive attraction)

• She flinches multiple times at the idea of bouncing: Most women will give token resistance to bouncing back to your place, but a woman with a high SNL threshold will flinch hard every time you even hint at bouncing no matter how attracted she is.
• Flinches when you escalate: I’m not talking about a girl who doesn’t want to look like a slut in front of her friends. I’m talking about the woman who will barely let you hold her hand. She may logistically follow you around the club and would stand there all night long but won’t let you make even the most basic of escalation….MOVE ON!!
• Bad Logistics: If she lives 45 minutes away and she is with a carload of friends than I suggest you move on. Even if you could pull this girl, who wants to drive her back 45 minutes away in the morning? Besides that, in most cases terrible logistics will override attraction and she will end up not going home with you. So….find out logistics early. Who did she come with? Who drove? How far away does she live? Etc.. etc… If several of these questions get **** answers…..MOVE ON!!!!
• She flinches when you joke sexually: Once again I’m not talking about when you don’t have attraction and you are trying to talk sexual like a horny 7th grader. I’m talking about when you know she is interested and she just won’t bite on any kind of sexual role play, sexual frames, sexual teasing, sexual qualification….If I can’t put her in at least a semi sexual state, than I’m moving on.


Same Night Lays are much more complex than this obviously and these are generalities, but for you advanced guys it should make sense.

Remember, most of your mom's fall in the "Low SNL Threshold." My mom would of course be in the "High SNL Threshold."
 

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ah, im only 21 so im really (relatively) new to the whole club thing. Most of my previous knowledge comes from movies and television so my perception of the whole thing was really screwed.

I somehow thought that same-night-lays were a "somewhat" common occurence and i was beating myself up and my inability to close. everything would go so well and yet nothing would happen.

but now i realize that yeah, i need to get lucky and that being 21, itll be harder to find the hoes, lol.
 

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garruk said:
ah, im only 21 so im really (relatively) new to the whole club thing. Most of my previous knowledge comes from movies and television so my perception of the whole thing was really screwed.

I somehow thought that same-night-lays were a "somewhat" common occurence and i was beating myself up and my inability to close. everything would go so well and yet nothing would happen.

but now i realize that yeah, i need to get lucky and that being 21, itll be harder to find the hoes, lol.
girls your age have already done more Fing than marilyn monroe..lol
 

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My usual method of isolation is to ask her to join me to step outside for a smoke (if she doesn't smoke, she can still keep me company). From there I lean close & rub up against her (especially if it's cold out). At some point I will corner my prey against the building, and with my face already close to hers, go for the kiss close. First innocently with my hands in my pockets to reduce her anxiety, then I will escalate & push her against the wall. Usually going for her neck, with my hands being "no so innocent" anymore.
Oh, by the way, make sure you have breath mints to neutralize the tobacco breath! Lastly, I always apply a little of my special cologne above my upper lip so she takes it in when we are kissing.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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