Frustration in the dating market

[Bingo-Player]

I'm noticing A LOT of frustration from both men and women all over TikTok and instagram

I'm always interested to see the dynamic between the sexes so the algorithms tend to feed me content from both sides

From what I can gather women are pi$$ed off with men being too feminine and "not having their sh1t together" frequent complaints about OLD and male old conversations / prompts etc

I also feel theres somewhat of a god complex developing in some female archetypes a sort of

" I'm so hot I'm too good for everyone" attitude

I've also noticed over the years that a lot of young women are very slowly starting to look very similar its like theres been a massive push for them all to ascertain this sort of " IT girl" look , the rise in women wearing "barely there" athleisure wear has been astronomical.

Its very rare I see a woman these days and think " meh" most seem to be presenting themselves as literal eye fvck candy

The problem for women is that because they mainly tend to compete on beauty and attractiveness its very very bad for their SMV when every other woman is trying to elevate herself to that eye candy level where mens heads are constantly turning

In saying that Its strange because 10 years ago there used to be a lot of b1tchyness between women on social media and then all of a sudden it changed overnight to them all commenting overly positive and fake stuff on each others pictures.

I'd imagine that trend is about to start burning itself out.

In short I think women have gotten far far too expectant of what a man is and what he's going to offer .... just being pretty and having a great body / Pu$$y is not an automatic ticket to be swept off your feet and provided for .

But I feel that is how women are mostly selling their side of the deal.

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Then onto the male side

The male side has become very complicated for sure I'll base this off my own experiences and what I've seen out there with friends/ acquaintances and online.

I'll start by saying men were very very slow to adapt to the change in dating dynamics that came from social media , OLD and to some extent reality tv

this led to a good 5-10 year period where basically women weaponised attention and their sexuality and men were kind of left standing on the sidelines scratching their butts.

Men continued trying to use old fashioned corny romcom style techniques to get a generation of women that were quite frankly MILES ahead

Viral terms such as the " ICK" were quickly born to describe such experiences

To put this in layman's terms women quickly started demanding nothing less than a slick James Bond type dating experience and men were still acting like Steve Buscemi in 40 year old virgin.

Also by 2020 Women had fully sussed out and negated the old world pick up techniques that Strauss started back in the 2000's

I think I started really noticing around 2021 when I left an LTR a lot of women had started becoming VERY picky , VERY fussy and VERY flaky

But to be fair as I've outlined above men have been Simping and have been using very corny / boring material on them

I think men have really pandered to this for a few years , male Simping was absolutley out of control for a long period

But I think we are at the end of this Era now men are finally starting to realise that " pu$$y at any cost" is playing with fire and MANY men have been burnt by this attitude.

Personally I'm in a pretty serious LTR right now thats tied to a residency Visa but once that is completed I may be looking to re-enter the field in a year or two

I am hoping by then Women have started to mellow out a bit and men have levelled up and taken back control of the dating market.

 

[craider]

Perhaps men aren't slow to adapt, but rather they're less prone to manipulation and gaslighting. Women have made Mark Zuckerberg, Kardashians, etc. a lot of money by succumbing to high school level jealousy and identity politics.

Problem is these sorts of strategies don't work out in the long term and you are observing the frustration of a generation of people dealing with over-enabled wh*res. At the end of the day the decent men and women will get tired of this, stigmatize them, and ostracize them. You can already see a lot of this starting to come through in YouTube streamer culture and politics. Is

 

[jhonny9546]

@Bingo-Player

Excellent analysis.
That said, an LTR is all you want right now.

The ONS and FWB world has gone crazy.

 

[Bingo-Player]

@Bingo-Player

Excellent analysis.
That said, an LTR is all you want right now.

The ONS and FWB world has gone crazy.

Yes you are correct which is kind of why even though my girlfriend is not completely perfect I'm happy to stay put because I know its chaos out there right now.

I think that ONS and FWB culture is starting to Taint everything , men are bending over backwards and providing too much for very very average women that in yesteryear would have been lucky to leave their hometowns once a year.

These women have become accustomed to free everything and extreme pretty privilege

I think the p*rn and soft p*rn industry also has a lot to answer for

I get the sense a lot of single chicks these days think their pu$$y's squirt gold

 

[Gamisch]

And lets not forget that most men opted out completely.

Ive seen it all around me, a LOT of men get their spouse from poor regions. And at some point something gotta give ,right? If we take 10 dudes for example .

Stats say 5 to 6dont date. 2 players. 2 are in a LTR. That means the women gotta pick from either the 5 /6 men they domt want or rotate the 2 players.. and those 5 to 6 dudes are also looking outside for their women.

Gotta be frustrating

 

[jhonny9546]

Yes you are correct which is kind of why even though my girlfriend is not completely perfect I'm happy to stay put because I know its chaos out there right now.

I think that ONS and FWB culture is starting to Taint everything , men are bending over backwards and providing too much for very very average women that in yesteryear would have been lucky to leave their hometowns once a year.

These women have become accustomed to free everything and extreme pretty privilege

I think the p*rn and soft p*rn industry also has a lot to answer for

I get the sense a lot of single chicks these days think their pu$$y's squirt gold

Again, brilliant analysis.

I just see healthy couple stay togheter.
That's my goal

 

[Solomon]

This is my opinion on the women's side what I see on social media

Entitled women: As you mentioned, too many women think that if they are hot, that should be enough. I was talking to an Uber driver yesterday on my way home from a local bar. How many women these days even cook or clean?

Lack of femininity: If you go on TikTok or Instagram, you will notice the rise in female dating coaches such as SheraSeven1 and TheWizardLiz. These women are selling "faux femininity" under the guise of "getting the bag by any means." The problem is that both SheraSeven1 and TheWizardLiz have been exposed numerous times for not practicing what they preach. Shera lied about having a rich husband when the guy was only making 70K a year. TheWizardLiz's baby daddy was an average guy who was tricking off on her and cheating with numerous women. I have noticed in the last 10 to 15 years that a lot of women have adopted masculine energy. To any man, this is a huge turnoff, especially if you are a man who loves a girly girl. American women loathe and have a disdain for traditional femininity. This is the reason passport bros have exploded. Notice that most of the complaints from those brothers center on the lack of femininity

On the men's side:

Lack of testosterone: It is a fact that millennial and Gen Z men have the lowest testosterone rates of any generation of men in nearly 100 years. How does this translate on social media? A lot of whiny men and a lot of complaining men. Don't get me wrong, a lot of the complaints are valid. But it is cringe to see men whine. It just looks weak, and women loathe weak men. I get schadenfraude and I realized I use to be one of those guys as well. Eventually men have to realize if they want women to change you will have to change your standards and boundaries. Men are dong it in a sense by refusing to simp or trick but it's not enough because for every man who makes a conscious decision not to trick or simp, there 10 other men who will gladly trick or simp even if they know the woman doesn't like them.

Entitled men as well: Men are entitled in the sense that they think they should get a hot woman just because they exist. The common argument men like to use is that they have to work four times harder than their grandpa to get a girl who is half the quality of their grandma. But what do modern men from 19 to 40 actually offer in general? One third are unemployed, one third live with their parents, and while men complain about women being overweight, there are also a lot of overweight men. The reality is that simply being a good guy does not automatically get you a girlfriend or wife. You still have to offer something. Women value men who are self-sufficient at the very least, meaning they have their own place, make enough money to take a couple of vacations a year, and stay in shape.

 

[CornbreadFed]

The male loneliness epidemic is real, but a lot of guys are actively choosing to wallow in it, and I'm tired of pretending otherwise.
I'll preface this by saying male loneliness is a documented issue, and the social structures that used to give men community and purpose have genuinely degraded. That's real.
But I just cut off a close friend of 15 years because, at 35, he has a stable job, his own place, and has spent the last several years doing nothing but complaining about how unfair his life is. At some point, you have to ask whether someone has a problem or whether they are the problem.

The redpill/manosphere pipeline has given an entire generation of men a vocabulary for their grievances without ever asking anything of them in return. Chad, Stacy, hypergamy, whatever, it's an infinitely scalable excuse machine. There's always a reason; it's not your fault. That's not analysis, that's cope.
And the irony is that the same guys who constantly invoke "traditional masculinity" or whatever are the most emotionally fragile people I've encountered online. You were supposedly built to endure hardship. Your entire aesthetic is stoicism and grit. But you're crying on a livestream because a woman you've never met has a body count.

I'm not saying suppress your emotions. I'm saying there's a meaningful difference between processing difficulty and monetizing victimhood as a personality trait. Many men have chosen the latter and are now completely unmarketable as friends, partners, or functional adults.
At some point the environment isn't the variable anymore. You are.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

This is my opinion on the women's side what I see on social media

Entitled women: As you mentioned, too many women think that if they are hot, that should be enough. I was talking to an Uber driver yesterday on my way home from a local bar. How many women these days even cook or clean?

Lack of femininity: If you go on TikTok or Instagram, you will notice the rise in female dating coaches such as SheraSeven1 and TheWizardLiz. These women are selling "faux femininity" under the guise of "getting the bag by any means." The problem is that both SheraSeven1 and TheWizardLiz have been exposed numerous times for not practicing what they preach. Shera lied about having a rich husband when the guy was only making 70K a year. TheWizardLiz's baby daddy was an average guy who was tricking off on her and cheating with numerous women. I have noticed in the last 10 to 15 years that a lot of women have adopted masculine energy. To any man, this is a huge turnoff, especially if you are a man who loves a girly girl. American women loathe and have a disdain for traditional femininity. This is the reason passport bros have exploded. Notice that most of the complaints from those brothers center on the lack of femininity

On the men's side:

Lack of testosterone: It is a fact that millennial and Gen Z men have the lowest testosterone rates of any generation of men in nearly 100 years. How does this translate on social media? A lot of whiny men and a lot of complaining men. Don't get me wrong, a lot of the complaints are valid. But it is cringe to see men whine. It just looks weak, and women loathe weak men. I get schadenfraude and I realized I use to be one of those guys as well. Eventually men have to realize if they want women to change you will have to change your standards and boundaries. Men are dong it in a sense by refusing to simp or trick but it's not enough because for every man who makes a conscious decision not to trick or simp, there 10 other men who will gladly trick or simp even if they know the woman doesn't like them.

Entitled men as well: Men are entitled in the sense that they think they should get a hot woman just because they exist. The common argument men like to use is that they have to work four times harder than their grandpa to get a girl who is half the quality of their grandma. But what do modern men from 19 to 40 actually offer in general? One third are unemployed, one third live with their parents, and while men complain about women being overweight, there are also a lot of overweight men. The reality is that simply being a good guy does not automatically get you a girlfriend or wife. You still have to offer something. Women value men who are self-sufficient at the very least, meaning they have their own place, make enough money to take a couple of vacations a year, and stay in shape.

Another way to put it is it's gotten so bad now that the average 22 year old male has the Testosterone levels of a 70 year old from the 1960s these days.

T levels have pretty much consistently declined at a 1% per year rate since at least 1980 and there doesn't seem to be any change any time soon.

 

[Solomon]

Another way to put it is it's gotten so bad now that the average 22 year old male has the Testosterone levels of a 70 year old from the 1960s these days.

T levels have pretty much consistently declined at a 1% per year rate since at least 1980 and there doesn't seem to be any change any time soon.

BINGO! and if anyone thinks low T levels don't affect how men act are wrong. This is why men aren't chasing women like they use to which can be verfiied that this generation of men are also having the least sex etc. The only way to combat low T levels is doing the stuff we already talk about on here i.e,. work out, eat healthy, get 8 hours of sleep etc

 

[BackInTheGame78]

BINGO! and if anyone thinks low T levels don't affect how men act are wrong. This is why men aren't chasing women like they use to which can be verfiied that this generation of men are also having the least sex etc. The only way to combat low T levels is doing the stuff we already talk about on here i.e,. work out, eat healthy, get 8 hours of sleep etc

And sometimes that STILL isn't enough because of the way the male endocrine system is under constant attack from environmental things like pesticides, modified foods, plastics, garbage fillers and additives put into food, etc that are wreaking havoc from literally the day they were conceived inside the womb.

It's an uphill battle even before a male is born as all of these things are heavily estrogenic and the worst kind...xenoestrogens.

I would also not be surprised to find out that this is starting to change things at a generic level for us as it might be altering DNA whereby males are being encoded to have lower T levels due to this.

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

And sometimes that STILL isn't enough because of the way the male endocrine system is under constant attack from environmental things like pesticides, modified foods, plastics, garbage fillers and additives put into food, etc that are wreaking havoc from literally the day they were conceived inside the womb.

It's an uphill battle even before a male is born as all of these things are heavily estrogenic and the worst kind...xenoestrogens.

I would also not be surprised to find out that this is starting to change things at a generic level for us as it might be altering DNA whereby males are being encoded to have lower T levels due to this.

I will continually make the case that I think most men are better off on TRT now because it's basically impossible to avoid xenoestrogens and other endocrine disruptors from the environment.

Seems to me like most of these men are in denial of how bad it is and refuse to do anything to change it out of pure cowardice.

 

[Ricky]

Things have changed alot for sure. What really bothers me is how women expecting to a guy to finance their lifestyle in many different ways has hit the mainstream. A spillover effect from the only fans and content producers to the point where you have average women expecting it now.

I am a traditional guy who has always picked up the tab during dating but after a few weeks with different women, they almost expect to go on a mall shopping spree. These women are very attractive but this behavior never used to happen in the 90s or 00s cant speak to the 2010s when i was still happily married.

it may be because i am older now and have money and they see an easy target to be honest so i accept my responsibility for part of it

 

[plumber]

I will continually make the case that I think most men are better off on TRT now because it's basically impossible to avoid xenoestrogens and other endocrine disruptors from the environment.

Seems to me like most of these men are in denial of how bad it is and refuse to do anything to change it out of pure cowardice.

this is one of the most important things that many do not know or overlook. no fault, just lack of knowledge. i mean we don't know what we don't know. being happy, jolly, and fun to be with is less likely with low t.

has huge phyiscal impacts. the part that gets missed is that the mental/emotional impact is just as large. there is a little more to is than just t. its a ballanceing act that in best case should be understood by the man.

hmm. dealing with women if your low t is like going to a gun fight with a knife.... we see the posts from some men over and over that clearly are from low t rumination....

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

this is one of the most important things that many do not know or overlook. no fault, just lack of knowledge. i mean we don't know what we don't know. being happy, jolly, and fun to be with is less likely with low t.

has huge phyiscal impacts. the part that gets missed is that the mental/emotional impact is just as large. there is a little more to is than just t. its a ballanceing act that in best case should be understood by the man.

hmm. dealing with women if your low t is like going to a gun fight with a knife.... we see the posts from some men over and over that clearly are from low t rumination....

eh it seems to me like a lot of men are aware of it but brush it off, and they think TRT will kill you or age you rapidly, or they think it's "beneath them" and tons of other terrible takes. they can enjoy their hypogonadism, i guess.