Frustrated with dating

[Josh Stiles]

I had my second date with this girl. It ends up the same. No sex.
In fact most of my dates end up exactly the same.

We engage in a lively conversation - I escalate things physically, emotionally(pull away, push pull, flirt), logistically(I move her around the room). She showed up 20 minutes late and I told her she lost major points with me. She ended up buying me drinks on second date.
I touched, kissed, flirted, talked about her childhood, appealed to her senses and feelings -- and did everything right. I grabbed her arm and put it around my shoulder, picked her body up and twirled her around. She was laughing, smiling and enjoying herself.
She said I had a sexy face, but was thin. She didn't think I was the dominant type, but very charming. I am 6ft 1, tall, and 165lbs.(swimmers build)
She said "you are definitely not ugly and you have a very sexy face." I do get compliments on my face a lot. She wanted to take a photo of us.

The bad part was that I was doing most of the touching. I said lets get the fvck out of here and go back to my place. She said it was tempting, but had to work early. I said give me your best sensual kiss. So she did. I told her again to go back to my place. She refused and said "maybe on our 3rd date."

The ironic part is this has happened on all 10 of my dates. I always complimented on my face and told "you have a sexy face, thin, funny and charming." But it never leads to sex.

Not sure what I am doing wrong? How do you get a woman to drop her panties and to stop wasting my time with her words?
Ironically, I used to get laid a lot when I was serious, aloof, uninterested, and less engaged----and I got laid. Women seem to respond less to charming, sexy, excitable men.

I study game every day and it seems like "game" is ruining my opportunities for sex.
I may go back to my old self and be serious, uninterested and a downright jerk.

Any thoughts on this?

 

[Josh Stiles]

yea I used to get laid a lot -- now I am not closing any deals.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

yea I used to get laid a lot -- now I am not closing any deals.

Probably thinking about what they want too much. Basically putting them on a pedestal and serving them. I'm sure when you were hitting before you didn't think about these things.

 

[marmel75]

yea I used to get laid a lot -- now I am not closing any deals.

Then start adjusting what you are doing. This is where so many guys just don't get it.

If you were in sales and you used one approach that got tons of sales but then the dynamic of the clients changed and you werent getting any sales from that approach anymore, what would you do? If you had any smarts at all, you would CHANGE YOUR APPROACH...experiment with what worked and what didn't. Keep what worked, throw out what didn't.

Same with dating, you should ALWAYS be looking to adjust and streamline things with women on dates...

As always...why do guys have so much trouble getting laid? Laziness...it all boils down to that...

It's easier to keep hitting up chicks you already have numbers for than find new ones(in their mind...not true at all in reality) even when nothing happens with them...it's easier to keep doing the same things on dates even when you are getting NO results than to make changes, its easier to sit on their ass watching TV than to go to the gym, etc...

Guys don't get laid because of laziness.

 

[Dash Riprock]

I had my second date with this girl. It ends up the same. No sex.
In fact most of my dates end up exactly the same.

We engage in a lively conversation - I escalate things physically, emotionally(pull away, push pull, flirt), logistically(I move her around the room). She showed up 20 minutes late and I told her she lost major points with me. She ended up buying me drinks on second date.
I touched, kissed, flirted, talked about her childhood, appealed to her senses and feelings -- and did everything right. I grabbed her arm and put it around my shoulder, picked her body up and twirled her around. She was laughing, smiling and enjoying herself.
She said I had a sexy face, but was thin. She didn't think I was the dominant type, but very charming. I am 6ft 1, tall, and 165lbs.(swimmers build)
She said "you are definitely not ugly and you have a very sexy face." I do get compliments on my face a lot. She wanted to take a photo of us.

The bad part was that I was doing most of the touching. I said lets get the fvck out of here and go back to my place. She said it was tempting, but had to work early. I said give me your best sensual kiss. So she did. I told her again to go back to my place. She refused and said "maybe on our 3rd date."

The ironic part is this has happened on all 10 of my dates. I always complimented on my face and told "you have a sexy face, thin, funny and charming." But it never leads to sex.

Not sure what I am doing wrong? How do you get a woman to drop her panties and to stop wasting my time with her words?
Ironically, I used to get laid a lot when I was serious, aloof, uninterested, and less engaged----and I got laid. Women seem to respond less to charming, sexy, excitable men.

I study game every day and it seems like "game" is ruining my opportunities for sex.
I may go back to my old self and be serious, uninterested and a downright jerk.

Any thoughts on this?

It's only the second date for crying out loud. RELAX. Most women won't have sex on the first few dates.

 

[Desdinova]

I had my second date with this girl. It ends up the same. No sex.

Mystery says it takes about 4-10 hours of spending time with a woman before she will sex with you. I agree and find my results to be similar.

The 3rd date is usually when you can fvck a woman without any resistance. Personally, I prefer making her wait until the 4th date, just to keep her in a bit of suspense. Imagine that! A guy making a girl wait for sex! What is this world coming to???

I said lets get the fvck out of here and go back to my place. She said it was tempting, but had to work early. I said give me your best sensual kiss. So she did. I told her again to go back to my place. She refused and said "maybe on our 3rd date."

When you have full control over your sexual urges, it puts the woman at your command instead of it being the other way around. You've displayed to her that sex is your weakness, and now she's holding that power over you.

Not sure what I am doing wrong?

You're trying too hard to get laid.

I know that when I get a 2nd date with a woman, I'm going to be fvcking her on the 4th date. The 2nd date is confirmation that she is indeed interested in you. When you get that confirmation, you don't need to be pushing for sex because you're going to get it, and possibly get lots of it after you fvck for the first time. BE PATIENT!!! You can always fvck your hand until you reach the 3rd or 4th date.

 

[Josh Stiles]

All good posts. I need to relax and not push for sex. I need to step back and chill. Wait until 3rd or 4th date. Mystery has a good point on the 4-12 hours approach before sex happens.
I am going to change up my approach a little though and be more calmer. My default personality is that I am too entertaining. I need to pull back.

 

[Glassguy]

Next time, tell her at the beginning of the date that you can't stay out long. Put her on a time crunch. Maybe lay back a little on pushing for sex and see if she initiates.

"I can't stay out late tonight. I have some things going on early tomorrow morning, so you can't keep me out all night".....say it playfully of course.

This works for me when a chick plays hard to get. It flips the script.

 

[Bingo-Player]

I suspect there are a few elements at work here

Firstly I suspect you are treating these women more like candidates for a job rather than women who you want sitting on your face

Women like men who don’t ask but TAKE what they want that includes the honey pot that is between her legs

Secondly I've recently realised that thinking too deeply into “game” is counterproductive you can get trapped inside your own head trying to analyse everything she says to you

Some of my best results years ago with women came from literally not thinking about anything with them , just the basics

Approach-escalate-penetrate

If it breaks down in at any of those points just eject from her and find yourself a new target

Thirdly women are extremely situational meaning they make decisions based on whats immediately happening around them

Honestly The amount of times ive had women say to me “ I cant come home with you ive got work in the morning or ive got to do XYZ”

and ive just ignored her kissed her grabbed her a$$ and told her “stop being silly come on” and she’s come back and fvcked me

I swear works 9 times out of 10


Finally if you JUST want quick & easy pu$$y “dating” is not the way to go…..when you tell a woman you will take her on a “date” she tells all her friends/colleagues and sisters and suddenly the anti sloot systems get put on red alert

i mean what girl is going to tell all her friends she went on a “first date” and had sex straight away its just not good publicity and what all those chick flicks / mags strongly advise against

Use the money you would for the date to get yourself some nice new gear and hit the bars / clubs day or night if you have anything about you , you are FAR more likely to get laid

 

[wifehunter]

"20 minutes late"

Next

 

[Josh Stiles]

Interesting. The times I said "fvck you" to a woman...is when it happens. When I got physical with her(bites my lip)with her and said nothing..... is when it happens.Women love a man who is an outright bastard. Girls approach me when I have an angry face, not a happy smiley face like game teaches you.
When I am in a bad mood and don't feel like talking to anyone---that's when girls approach me. Ironic.
In fact last night I approached a girl with a happy face, smiling and the girl was positive back to me and I asked for her number. She rejected me and said no.
Three hours later approach another girl in a bad mood, she looked at me and i looked at her. She said hi, are you ok? I said nothing is wrong, i said hey give me your number I want to take you out. She gave me her number.
I have success doing the opposite of what game teaches.

 

[resilient]

I've even seen movies where a lot of this sh*t is in the damn script, sometimes even to a comical sense (from Hitch to Swingers to How to Be A Latin Lover).

"I want you to remember this face here, this is the guy behind the guy, behind the guy."

 

[TheGambino]

Dude my HB7 plate let me wait 3 dates... I made her drying wet in bed but she told me I cant do it so quick. They want to appear hard to get. Don't get it let to you.

After date 3 I fvck her brains out 3 times a week...

Afterwards she told me she made a promise to her bestie that she couldn't have cex on the first date to appear easy lay.... This is how it works with girls with ASD.

 

[bigneil]

I just watched Swingers yesterday and again today. The opening scene is classic, about somehow women know when we no longer care.

 

[bigneil]

Yup. If you ever noticed, it ties right into the last scene in the movie, when Mikey doesn't care and blows the ex off when she reaches out.

Yes, he says he has to take the other call and hangs up just as she says "I love y...". Sad but true. My last girlfriend was born the year that movie came out.

 

[Trump]

I had my second date with this girl. It ends up the same. No sex.
In fact most of my dates end up exactly the same.

We engage in a lively conversation - I escalate things physically, emotionally(pull away, push pull, flirt), logistically(I move her around the room). She showed up 20 minutes late and I told her she lost major points with me.

20 minutes late and you still stayed for the date? Right there she kind of knows this guy can be pushed around a bit. She must have been decent looking and thin...

The ironic part is this has happened on all 10 of my dates. I always complimented on my face and told "you have a sexy face, thin, funny and charming." But it never leads to sex.

Not sure what I am doing wrong? How do you get a woman to drop her panties and to stop wasting my time with her words?

Tell them what you said. "Stop talking and take off your clothes."

I study game every day and it seems like "game" is ruining my opportunities for sex.
I may go back to my old self and be serious, uninterested and a downright jerk.

Any thoughts on this?

LOL. The "game" is ruining your opportunities for sex? So the good looking 27 year old girl is back at your place but the "game" prevents her from taking off her clothes? The "game" prevents her from sleeping in your bed? The "game" makes her have a 6'3 boyfriend?

Come on bro. You are not making any sense.

I used to get laid a lot when I was serious, aloof, uninterested, and less engaged----and I got laid. Women seem to respond less to charming, sexy, excitable men.

If this is true why did you change? Why didn't you continue to do what you were doing? Again making no sense.

 

[Josh Stiles]

It's getting easier and easier to just overplay the game these days, because a lot of this stuff isn't on the "down-low" between men like it used to be maybe 15-20 years ago. It's commercialized and mainstream now. Any woman can pick up a book, read an article, watch a YouTube video, etc. and see what men are trying to do out there. I've even seen movies where a lot of this sh*t is in the damn script, sometimes even to a comical sense (from Hitch to Swingers to How to Be A Latin Lover).

Sometimes you have to pull back and throw them off now and again.... just to give them that reality check that they don't have you all figured out.

Amante brilliant post. Also great post on the Swingers clip. I remember when Swingers came out during my 20's.
Old rules about women never die. Thanks man.