Frustrated beyond belief.

[thegator39]

What's the worst they are going to do, run away? lol

 

[Someone Much cooler]

geez this is crazy. Get off line and go approach in real life. Thats my advice to everyone i talk to. Obviously ull get rejection, but youll also get acceptance. Its like applying for a job, u can seek them out or you can make yourself shine and they will seek you out. While you approach, also concentrate on bettering your life. Now I just googled this guy "Mystery" and wow he looks like a fag. I'm Black and im from Phili and i couldnt sell myself pride/ respect to attract some stupid jawn. Just like how all these young bulls are wearing girls skinny jeans, its faggy. Listen to lose the v-card you dont need to be a rockstar, u just need to be the coolest version of yourself.

 

[thegator39]

You weren't reading the part where I said there's nowhere to approach. And I've had enough of unsuccessfully talking to waitresses and the like.

 

[Mantis Toboggan]

I've had enough and am taking things into my own hands. I made a profile with a guy that's a better looking version of myself, wrote down the kind of things women want to hear, and will use my manipulation skills to seduce them via online, and meet a few of them in person and hope one doesn't care and likes "the real me." I can't help it that I was born a 6. Fat women do the same thing online.

Okay. That's extremely weird.

You could....you know....make yourself into a better-looking person. Instead of using someone else's profile.

The fat women who do the same thing, probably end up sitting at restaurants alone after the guy they were supposed to meet sees the REAL them.

You weren't reading the part where I said there's nowhere to approach. And I've had enough of unsuccessfully talking to waitresses and the like.

There's nowhere to approach? How are people mating in your town? Somebody's approaching somebody.

And lack of success with waitresses means nothing. They're paid to be friendly. It's stupid to think that the waitress who's SO happy to see you is romantically interested. It's her freaking job.

 

[thegator39]

I'm not ugly (6 ft, in shape, exercise, not an ugly face) and have been told as much by women online and real life. Most 6s want men out of their league and think because a guy has used them for sex makes them hotter than they really are.

In my town, it's black people and cape verdeans breeding with other black people and cape verdeans.

 

[Mantis Toboggan]

I'm not ugly (6 ft, in shape, exercise, not an ugly face) and have been told as much by women online and real life. Most 6s want men out of their league and think because a guy has used them for sex makes them hotter than they really are.

Eh. Not really. This is just something you're telling yourself.

It seems like you're down on yourself because you're putting a lot of pressure on yourself to get women. Therefor a lack of success with women makes you whiny and depressed.

I started becoming better with girls when I focused on making a better life for myself and being a better person.

 

[thegator39]

I like myself and my life. I just know that to the majority of women, I'm unattractive/average/ok (average and ok are the same things as unattractive unless accompanied by social proof, fame, money, drugs, et al.) and because of that I don't feel at all confident in my ability to pick up a woman from scratch.

If there's any silver lining to be had, any extraenous anxiety (Stuttering, shaking, et al.) is gone when talking to a woman and it's a simply lack of ability in general to converse with a stranger I'd like to sleep with. Also don't fear rejection from a stranger.

The other problem is that I'm nerdy looking...the tall, bookish type. I'm kind of like Niles from Frasier in demeanor...I'm thin, but not as thin as him, and I kind of have the "rich, brainy guy" thing going on only without the sexual appeal of someone like Richard Gere.

Instead of trying to fight it, I simply go with it and wear dress casual type clothing, stylish glasses, and hope that instead of coming across as a loser, I come across as prominent.

 

[DonJuan11]

I notice myself just getting angrier...not at anyone in particular, but the system...how it's built for the rich (or 10 percent) to get richer, and the rest of men left to date or marry UGs, fatties or 5s.

Your "woe is me" attitude isn't going to accomplish anything. Instead of focusing on why you haven't hit the lottery, you aren't a top paid actor, or having constant sex with girls, focus on yourself; your brain, your body, your look, your social life. Focus on GIVING BACK to people. Focus on IMPROVING other people's lives. You haven't told us ONE THING about what you are good at or that you can TEACH a girl other than you really want to have sex with her.

Rather than complaining about why you can't laid, THINK for a second about what you CAN OFFER a girl. Why would she HAVE SEX WITH YOU? Is she going to have sex with you because you have a degree? Because you are rich? Because you are confident? Because you are well known? Because you are a good cook? Because you are funny? Because you are talkative? Because you have a nice car? Because you give her sexy feelings? Or because you watch porn all day and can get to Level 4 in Grand Theft Auto?

Sex is an EXCHANGE of GOODS. No girl is going to give you her BODY for a guy who complains and can't GIVE HER anything in return, that's a terrible trade for her. You have NEGOTIATE FOR IT. Some guys are very good negotiators, they can get sex from a hot girl within hours of meeting her, without spending ANY money on her. Others are TERRIBLE, they spend countless hours, countless dates, countless love letters, and all they get is a hug from the girl. It ALL depends on how well you NEGOTIATE for things.

A prostitute wants MONEY FOR SEX. If you don't want to give a women money for sex, GIVE HER SOMETHING ELSE.

I've studied this sh*t for years, and have overcome life threatening depression and rock bottom self-esteem,

Not sure what life threatening depression is, there are people who have slept in bathroom floors at train stations with their sons having empty stomachs and have gone on to be millionaires. There are people who have been locked in dungeons for 20 years and raped repeatedly by their family member, got pregnant, and have been raped again and are trying to function normally now. Obviously you have a roof over your head, a computer and and internet connection you are paying for, so you can't be in that bad of shape.

And I hope the rock bottom self esteem doesn't involve never having a date in high school or having girls tell you off in middle school, but again I don't know.

am tall, in shape, and not butt ugly...and what I do have to show for it...one girl that I didn't even have sex with and only met due to facebook, who left me because she wasn't over her ex who stole 4,000 dollars from her for his drug addiction.

My only hope is that I have sex and think "That was it? All of that obsession for that?"

Again, you are so focused on YOU. Focus on OTHERS. Focus on WHAT YOU BRING to THEIR LIVES, how you can IMPROVE IT, make it BETTER.

Do you think the inventor of the plane focused on why he couldn't get laid? Do you think the inventor of the phone focused on why his girlfriend wouldn't give him sex? Do you think Slash focused on girls? Do you think Donald Trump focused on sex, sex, sex? Do you think the President focuses on why he can't get into someone's pants? NO. They all focus on SOMETHING THEY LOVE AND ON IMPROVING THE WORLD. After you do this, the girls WILL COME.

 

[thegator39]

DonJuan11, I've seen your "Sex is an exchange" theory all over the board and don't agree with it. Women have sex for their own recreation. They just want it with certain guys.

However, you're right about complaining about not getting laid not doing any good.

If I had to say my major obstacle, it would be a lack of selection. Everyone on here says that it's a numbers game and that even the best looking/most charming pick-up artist is going to strike out a lot. I'm looking to meet local women that I could actually spend time with, so going to another area wouldn't do me any good.

However, if I want to lose my virginity that badly, going to an area to meet a woman, knowing that the purpose isn't a relationship but casual sex, might be the way to go and something I'm strongly considering.

 

[teacha]

don't listen to DonJuan11 and his bull**** theories. Sex is not an exchange of anything except maybe sexual energy.

AGAIN, SKIP EVERYTHING DONJUAN11 SAYS AND JUST READ THE BOOK OF POOK.

 

[loveshogun]

This will either be crazy effective or just crazy

I've studied this sh*t for years, and have overcome life threatening depression and rock bottom self-esteem

My advice right now is actually quite short. I have a whole laundry list for you, but you won't be able to get to that yet:

You should move. Whatever city your in, according to you, sucks. Save 2000 dollars, and move. You keep mentioning that your location sucks ass. So, move. If you can't move, then you lose, and no excuses will turn that loss into a win.

The rules of life won't change just because you can't cope.

That's reality. If I were you, I'd try to move.

Now before you read the rest of this, if you REALLY have depression, fix that sh*t. Women should not even be on your mind at all.

That's like being on fire, and instead of putting yourself out, you decide you need to check your mail first.

You have bigger fish to fry.

If you are REALLY over your depression, prepare for the smack of reality, because the rest of this will sound harsh.

Just remember that for whatever reason, I genuinely want to help you. If you were a chick, they'd call me Cap'n Save-a-Ho. THAT'S how stupidly committed to this I am.


















































Ready for my optional tirade?

Well ready or not, I don't give a sh*t, cause I'm tired of hearing you rationalize. I'd almost prefer if you were just whiny, but you've actually got it in your head, in a room of people who know better, that you are the expert about why you are where you are.

Now I'm not the expert on where you are NOW. But you can bet your ass I'm an expert on where you want to be.

First, we aren't here to be your friend or make you feel good about yourself. We don't live where you live, and even if we did, your happiness comes from you. For all of human history and through every religion and philosophy that's ever been written down - they all say happiness comes from within, from your own actions.

You do not have the experience, authority, or even confidence to argue this. So don't even try.

So did you get that down? Repeat it to yourself - happiness comes from within.

Now here's what you need to realize:

You are a virgin.

You have nothing to say to us about why sex hasn't happened for you yet.

DonJuan11, I've seen your "Sex is an exchange" theory all over the board and don't agree with it. Women have sex for their own recreation. They just want it with certain guys.

See what you did there? You refused advice from someone who knows more than you because you "disagree" with him. If someone else here who is not a virgin disagrees with him, maybe they've got something to say.

But you are a virgin. All your explanations, rationalizations, and self-assessments mean zero, because you don't have any data from the other side of the issue. You haven't done what it takes to have the experience to make these explanations, rationalizations, or self-assessments. You've got nothing. Zip. Zilch.

And that isn't just one time. What you've done to everyone on this board who has tried to help you thus far, is come up with reasons why they're wrong, and why you're right about how you'll never get laid.

Realize once again that you are literally the virgin in the room full on non-virgins (who are also internet nerds and got laid anyway), and every piece of advice given to you, you have deflected because you seem to be the expert on why you're not getting laid.

Trust us. We're here to help you. And make no mistake, WE'RE the experts on why you're not getting laid.

So if any of us here, whom you believe to have been laid, say you should do 20 jumping jacks when you meet a girl to get into her pants, you should goddamn do it without questioning it, because you literally know d*ck about getting laid. Nothing you have done so far (your words, not mine) has led you to be successful with women (I'm not even gonna ask about your life as a whole).

You should no longer question ANYTHING until you've tried it.

You're job is to trust us not to give you sh*tty advice - but to be honest, I would say in your position, even sh*tty advice would be gold because if you actually took it, at least you got up off of the computer and DID something.

So, the key word here is LISTEN.


Also, read this book. It's by Larry Winget, who doesn't give a sh*t about all the problems you've made up for yourself. And it has nothing to do with women: http://www.amazon.com/Shut-Stop-Whi...345X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1288464228&sr=8-1

Borrow it from the library if you have to.

And, if you somehow find more reasons to argue with any of this, and any of us (even the people I disagree with on a regular basis have something to contribute to you), then that just shows your commitment to remaining in the same situation that you're in.

 

[mr.@pplesauce]

...AND JUST READ THE BOOK OF POOK.

Amen.

And loveshogun beat me to it, Fvcking move. Larry Winget definitely writes books for guys like you.

 

[thegator39]

If it took "learning game" to get laid, the world wouldn't exist. Most men are worse off than myself and have had sex. Most men are WBAFCs and have managed to have sex.

Read this and then read it again...I'M NOT LOOKING TO BE A PIMP...I'm just looking to lose the V-card to a 5 or 6 so I can demistify it and move on with my life.

Society, including sites like this, have put sex on such a pedestal that men who have never had it think it's this great, mystical thing. You turn on tv, and women are just putting out for average guys like it's going out of style. Naturally I'm going to be curious at my age "What's the big deal?"

I have my life together. I have a great family, great job, hobbies, etc., but I'm not meeting women.

It shouldn't take "learning game" to lose the v-card to an average looking woman.

 

[EFFORT]

Having sex isn't a "right". Everyone isn't supposed to pass there genes on.

Nature will unapologetically weed your genes out of existance if you don't take action and learn how to attract women - Mystery

 

[loveshogun]

If it took "learning game" to get laid, the world wouldn't exist. Most men are worse off than myself and have had sex. Most men are WBAFCs and have managed to have sex.

This is like talking to a brick wall.

You have this theory that all the scum of the earth, people that you say you're better than, are getting laid. And yet, you're the one not getting laid. What does that tell you about yourself?

I already told you before that the data doesn't lie. It's sitting there in front of you and you still deny it.

Did you forget that you are a virgin? And you're trying to come up with theories about these AFCs who are "worse off than you" are getting some because you seem to be the only person in the world who has bad luck?

The problem here, is that your ability to self-assess is so far removed from reality that you still refuse to admit that there are points in your life where you can improve.

Even worse, you think you shouldn't HAVE to improve anything. Really? How well has that been working out for you?

I'm calling you out and saying that you haven't done ANY of the things we've suggested. You taught yourself how to start conversations with people and called it a day, thinking that was all there is to it.

What world are you living in?

When I fight at my gym, and someone beats me, NEVER at any point do I tell myself "I was way better than that guy," because reality and the world at large don't give a sh*t about my opinions of my skill and knowledge. Results speak louder than theory - theory is made to fit REALITY, and if possible predict it. Not the other way around. If someone beats me once, beats me twice, and beats me again, THAT person is better than me at Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, PERIOD.

And you, the virgin are talking about all these people "worse off than you?"

You have a stunningly inaccurate grasp of statistics. Luck works the same way for everyone, guy, so you need to wake up and realize the only variable in the problem is YOU. And that variable is the one deciding to allow luck to catch up eventually.

Make no mistake, YOU'RE the one putting sex on the pedestal - YOU'RE the one worshipping it and hoping for it to grant your wishes if you just pray hard enough.

No one is asking you to be a pimp or to "learn game." All we're doing is asking you to LISTEN to the answer when you ask a question.

And if your question is "Why can't I get laid?", then...

1) Realize that you have no basis on which to argue with us about any of your "observations" or "theories" as to why this is, because you know nothing about it

2) You're not getting laid because you don't listen to anyone when they say you need to make changes in your life!

You've been alive for 27 years. You can keep playing the numbers - as much as you're completely wrong about all your other extrapolations, one thing that's true is that given an infinite amount of time, you will run into a situation where the p*ssy literally falls onto your c*ck.

If that's all you're looking for, stop asking for advice or trying to rationalize your lack of success, and just wait for it to happen like you were doing all along anyway.

Everyone here knows why you're not succeeding except for you, man.

I sincerely hope you're over your depression. I'm going to stop posting to this thread because I have a suspicion you're not. I wish you the best of luck - know that you can pull yourself out of this. You're the one who has to do it.

 

[BigJimbo]

I'm not ugly (6 ft, in shape, exercise, not an ugly face) and have been told as much by women online and real life. Most 6s want men out of their league and think because a guy has used them for sex makes them hotter than they really are.

In my town, it's black people and cape verdeans breeding with other black people and cape verdeans.

Cape Verdeans? Geez, about as bad as being stuck in Southern California. You don't hunt for trophy Elk in the Sahara.

 

[Quality9.99]

Well I do not want to insult you but, man the F up.There has to be girls where you live and you goota ACT.Just go out there and never forget to take care of your life.

Get out of this retarded depression cause you dont get *****.If you have no arms and legs ( like someone I know ) then you do not have the right to be depressed.(that's a bit exaggerated but hope you get my point ).

I lost my virginity at 19 years and a half and I was really bummed since i though if you dont lose your virginity like the lucky guys at 15-16 your a retard.And then it hit me,that all I needed to do for it to happen was not care SO MUCH about it, that it consumed me.Sure i was talking to girls being funny sexual and whatnot but it was never a be all end all plan.

And after sometime just chilling ,talking, minding my own business(but not in a loner kinda way ) I got with someone and EURIKA it happened.

I dont know your exact situation(family,monetary) but if your so frustrated about where you live and your 27 years old why dont you move?

 

[thegator39]

Loveshogun, you can continue the pop-psychology all you want, but you're in the same position as me...typing in a pick-up forum while other guys are busy in real life with women. And I don't want to hear made up lies about the women you pretend to get. At least I admit to being where I am and not a glorified KJ full of "man up" horse rubbish.

 

[PapiChulo]

Loveshogun, you can continue the pop-psychology all you want, but you're in the same position as me...typing in a pick-up forum while other guys are busy in real life with women. And I don't want to hear made up lies about the women you pretend to get. At least I admit to being where I am and not a glorified KJ full of "man up" horse rubbish.

ha ha great answer!

 

[loveshogun]

Loveshogun, you can continue the pop-psychology all you want, but you're in the same position as me...typing in a pick-up forum while other guys are busy in real life with women.

Wrong.

And I don't want to hear made up lies about the women you pretend to get. At least I admit to being where I am and not a glorified KJ full of "man up" horse rubbish.

Too bad, you're gonna hear em. Not just from me, but from everyone.

It's one thing to be clueless. It's another thing to be clueless, belligerent, and ungrateful for genuine advice that people who literally owe you nothing are trying to give you.

You're the virgin, which apparently makes you the expert. You figure it out.

I swear, some guys just don't want to be helped.