Frustrated Bald&FaceCel explains "The Reality Of Why Everyone is Single Now"

[Manure Spherian]

Good rant by Ray here.

 

[MatureDJ]

For men outside the alpha/sigma tier, the strength of a social circle is often the difference between having a girlfriend and being incel/borderline incel.

And try getting a Social Circle going to an all-boys high-school and then college of engineering.

 

[MatureDJ]

Jewish people and Israelis are not considered white people. They are their own ethnicity; just like Arabs, Persians and Muslims. Be respectful to all people and ethnicities.

There is the idea that "White" is restrictive and only applies to the Nordic & Alpinic (possibly some Mediterraneans like the Romans, etc.) sub-races, but that for the most part everyone else that is Caucasian is "Dark White" and not "true White". That said, there are some light-skinned folks from actual Causcasia (i.e., in the border region of the Russian Federation, and the old-USSR Transcaucasus peoples like the Armenians & Georgians. This might be anecdotal, but I'm a few folks from Azerbaijan, and they were as dark as Pakistanis.

Jewish folks (generally) fall into 2 ethnic groups, the pure, original Semites (who look like Israel's Arab neighbors) termed "Oriental Jews", and the Khazar ethnicities (a specific Caucasus-region people) generally termed "Ashkenazi Jews", who are whiter, and can pass for non-Jewish European Whites.

The "white slave trade" was basically hot, white women from the Caucasus region being sold as slave brides. I truly believe that the elite Arabs of today descend from wealthy dark-skinned sheiks and those hot white slave-brides.

This woman (who appears to have been photographed around the turn of the 20th Century is typical of these gorgeous women:



Here are some famous paintings about the slave-wife trade. Any men with a certain amount of cash could ascend then. A poor Chad would lose out.

https://images.fineartamerica.com/images/artworkimages/mediumlarge/1/men-bid-on-women-at-a-slave-market-hm-herget.jpg

https://images.antiquesatlas.com/dealer-stock-images/mansionhouseantiques/The_Slave_Sale_After_Painting__as153a1099z-3.jpg

https://en.allpaintingsstore.com/Art.nsf/O/9DJ26T/$File/Otto+Pilny-Slave+Market+-+(4).JPG

 

[SW15]

And try getting a Social Circle going to an all-boys high-school and then college of engineering.

Why are you still talking about this at roughly at age 60?

I think that people underestimate how some bad experiences earlier in life can have a long tail effect. It's clear that it impacted you.

I still the worst overall thing going for you was the height issue. The height issue + all-boys high school + Engineering major in college is an absolute horrendous set of circumstances.

With the all-boys high school, mating success depends on your social network from Grades K-8. You did not have a sufficient network of girls you knew from K-8 to withstand separation from girls for Grades 9-12. I think a lot of parents make mistakes in sending their sons to all-boys schools. While their sons are academically gifted and can handle the more rigorous academic environment of an all-boys private school (typically a Catholic school), their sons often lack the social abilities to get girlfriends while in an all-boys high school. There are so many parents that don't think about this element when making a schooling decision for their sons. The parents do their sons a disservice with this.

In the college of engineering, you lacked access to females in your classes. While your college did have women on campus, not having them in classes took away a key option. You could have asked out women from on-campus extracurricular clubs, random approaches walking on campus, or off campus parties. I'm guessing that your engineering major made it more difficult for you to resonate with random females on campus. You did not have a lot of the same interests that the women did while on a college campus in the 1980s. This was compounded by limited access to females in high school + a height issue. In other words, you had a total crap sandwich.

You also had multiple relocations that you've mentioned post college. You've mentioned in other threads having had short stints in the Los Angeles area and the Phoenix area after college. Your young adult relocations didn't help with developing a social circle either.

In this post, I've named 4 factors working against you, the greatest one being your height.

If you had reached the 5'9"-5'10" height, the other 3 factors might have been difficult to overcome as well during your time in the United States.

 

[Manure Spherian]

There is the idea that "White" is restrictive and only applies to the Nordic & Alpinic (possibly some Mediterraneans like the Romans, etc.)

Good post.

Technically speaking, only fully Nordic people are 100% white. All Indo-Europeans, whatever group, Greeks, Balts, Slavs, Germanics, and Celts, were all originally Nordic, and the reason why Europeans differ in appearance now is because of the type and extent of mixing they did with others. Alpine and Mediterranean are Asian strains.

Anyway, I don’t think there is one sexually favored race or ethnicity in America but that might be from bias because I lived more than 35 years in the most diverse area of the country, Queens, NY, and am still around all races on LI.

I also think outside of online dating, height and looks, are way, way overblown. I routinely see ordinary, even dumpy and sloppy looking, young men with women. Status, social circle, and psychological acuity are far more important in my view, as they were in the 90s. Height and looks might matter a bit more. Back in the 90s and aughts, I cannot recall one freaking discussion about them. There were high-status dogs/slobs around my way with women. I mean fatsos.

Again, as I’ve stated previously, I believe—and yes, I keep stating my own hunches, not actual proof—that being well liked in a clique is the way to women above all. For those in social circles, sex and “dating” (another word for sex with some fuzzy wuzzies) is done like musician chairs. Hence those in them are never single. They just keep doing rotational dating or screwing one another behind partners’ backs. But one usually has to be a part of such a scene very freaking early in life.

 

[SW15]

I also think outside of online dating, height and looks, are way, way overblown.

Back in the mid-1990s, ABC News did a segment on short men on their 20/20 news magazine show. I remember being in elementary/middle school and watching this specific episode with my grandparents that night. I estimate that I was 11 or 12 at the time. I had not even entered the sexual marketplace at that point. The episode resonated with me at the time because I was one of the shortest in my class at this borderline of elementary/middle school. In fact, I entered high school at barely over 5 feet tall. I did 7th and 8th grade being shorter than most females. I didn't notice until the latter part of sophomore year of high school that I was taller than girls and that's when I had reached 5'8" or so. I had some good growth in freshman and sophomore years. I ended up topping out at 5'10" around the end of junior years. I lost the first two years of high school completely due to height.

In the media landscape of the 1990s, devoting 15 minutes to short men and dating on an hour long news magazine show was considered significant. If 20/20 was covering it back then, it was a real phenomenon.

This episode aired in the very early days of the internet when online dating websites were still stigmatized. Most people who had internet then had slow dial-up internet. Most people were reliant upon in-person methods to start romantic interactions.

Looks are the #1 factor in seduction. Height is a big part of looks.

I don’t think there is one sexually favored race or ethnicity in America but that might be from bias because I lived more than 35 years in the most diverse area of the country, Queens, NY, and am still around all races on LI.

Come to Dallas (a major city) and you will see that the more conventional, "cookie cutter" type White men are sexually favored in this market. The more ethnic looking White men like Italian-Americans, Ashkenazi Jews, and other Mediterranean looking White men are less favored. There are Mediterranean White men in Dallas who are effective seducers (I've been one) but the degree of difficulty is higher, especially when dealing with White women who are less Mediterranean themselves.

being well liked in a clique is the way to women above all. For those in social circles, sex and “dating” (another word for sex with some fuzzy wuzzies) is done like musician chairs. Hence those in them are never single. They just keep doing rotational dating or screwing one another behind partners’ backs. But one usually has to be a part of such a scene very freaking early in life.

Social circle is the way for a man to get a girlfriend with the least amount of grief and frustration. Going to the open market via approaching strangers in real life or from tech methods ensures that a man will encounter more negative interactions from the very beginning of interactions.

You've assessed social circles with some accuracy. It's important to get into them earlier in life and relocations affect the ability to be in the good ones.

When men find themselves single in their 30s/40s, they often lack social circle options.

 

[Manure Spherian]

Back in the mid-1990s, ABC News did a segment on short men on their 20/20 news magazine show.

I saw that episode too. I am not discrediting what you’re saying. It’s just that some of the biggest poon hounds I knew were 5’6” to 5’9”. I’m not kidding.

 

[characternote]

I saw that episode too. I am not discrediting what you’re saying. It’s just that some of the biggest poon hounds I knew were 5’6” to 5’9”. I’m not kidding.

we can all only go by our own experiences.
I've mentioned before that my ex wingman who could literally bang just about any girl he wanted was only about 5' 8". Possibly even a hair shorter?!

However, i've always assumed that he wouldn't do QUITE as well if he was American and living in the US. (as I personally think height is slightly more important over there)

Of course he was only allowed to do it here in the UK because he is crazy good looking/handsome to the point he was always getting hit on from just standing still near the bar lol

 

[BaronOfHair]

And try getting a Social Circle going to an all-boys high-school...

And all those re-enactments of Salo you fellas performed in the locker room shower likely f-cked your natural affinity for poonany out of you. This is a tragedy outmatched only by ABC Family being rebranded as Free Form

 

[BaronOfHair]

It's clear that it impacted you.

OP isn't being undermined by whatever happened to him in HS... His addiction to trying to persuade everyone he meets that "It's over for damned near everyone" makes him perhaps even MORE of a buzzkill than your typical Vox op-ed writer, who finds damned near everything, aside from Hannah Gadsby's continued mangling of comedy, to be "problematic"

 

[Manure Spherian]

When men find themselves single in their 30s/40s, they often lack social circle options.

Right. When I say early, I mean teens and early 20s. After that, there is little chance for this. And the ordinary man with no connections or clout or status is in a seriously sexually weak position. He the silver Fox meme applies to very few.

 

[Manure Spherian]

we can all only go by our own experiences.
I've mentioned before that my ex wingman who could literally bang just about any girl he wanted was only about 5' 8". Possibly even a hair shorter?!

However, i've always assumed that he wouldn't do QUITE as well if he was American and living in the US. (as I personally think height is slightly more important over there)

Of course he was only allowed to do it here in the UK because he is crazy good looking/handsome to the point he was always getting hit on from just standing still near the bar lol

I’m only 5’10” and I’ve had women and I’m married. And I’ve had opportunities to cheat and get some IOI’s when out and about (and I’m not rich or gorgeous). Women are attracted to several things and male archetypes.

The short men I remember from my youth that got much female attention all had some things in common: social deviance. They had either a loud, troublemaking, and annoying dispositions, criminality, troublemaking, or inclination for daredevil activity (one served time for smashing a bottle on a marine’s head).

 

[Hamurabimbi]

I’m only 5’10” and I’ve had women and I’m married. And I’ve had opportunities to cheat and get some IOI’s when out and about (and I’m not rich or gorgeous). Women are attracted to several things and male archetypes.

The short men I remember from my youth that got much female attention all had some things in common: social deviance. They had either a loud, troublemaking, and annoying dispositions, criminality, troublemaking, or inclination for daredevil activity (one served time for smashing a bottle on a marine’s head).

I’m loud, annoying & daredevil.

 

[Manure Spherian]

I’m loud, annoying & daredevil.

This is one of the archetypes that rules the sexual market. Are you involved in extreme sports or motorcycles?

 

[Hamurabimbi]

This is one of the archetypes that rules the sexual market. Are you involved in extreme sports or motorcycles?

I was an Outdoor Adventure Guide.

 

[SW15]

When men find themselves single in their 30s/40s, they often lack social circle options.

When I say early, I mean teens and early 20s. After that, there is little chance for this. And the ordinary man with no connections or clout or status is in a seriously sexually weak position.

I think you're right about the timeline for "early". I think my own is a good example of this.

I had multiple childhood and early adulthood relocations. I arrived in Dallas in my late 20s with no pre-existing social connections in the city. I made friends but my friends were never responsible for me getting first dates, sexual partners, and girlfriends. I was on my own for that. Prior to late 20s arrival in Dallas, I had experience with attraction/seduction and had read some pickup/red pill content.

I was in a weaker positions due to all of the relocations. Even my geographical constancy starting in my late 20s has made zero difference in terms of dating. One might think that 10+ years in a given city would give me a social circle. It has not. I have made and retained friends but there's a difference between having friends and having a capable social circle.

 

[Solomon]

Why are you still talking about this at roughly at age 60?

I think that people underestimate how some bad experiences earlier in life can have a long tail effect. It's clear that it impacted you.

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He's mad that he can't sugardaddymax

 

[SW15]

sugardaddymax

It's over for NotCapableofSugarDaddying55+Cels

 

[MatureDJ]

I think you're right about the timeline for "early". I think my own is a good example of this.

I had multiple childhood and early adulthood relocations. I arrived in Dallas in my late 20s with no pre-existing social connections in the city. I made friends but my friends were never responsible for me getting first dates, sexual partners, and girlfriends. I was on my own for that. Prior to late 20s arrival in Dallas, I had experience with attraction/seduction and had read some pickup/red pill content.

I was in a weaker positions due to all of the relocations. Even my geographical constancy starting in my late 20s has made zero difference in terms of dating. One might think that 10+ years in a given city would give me a social circle. It has not. I have made and retained friends but there's a difference between having friends and having a capable social circle.

I'm beginning to wonder about the value of a good Social Circle.