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Frustrated Bald&FaceCel explains "The Reality Of Why Everyone is Single Now"

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Drop the anti-semitic bs. Anti-anything isn't tolerated here.

This guy doesn't look or act Jewish. Looks more like a dark haired Scandinavian.
He is not a Scandinavian. I would say he could be Italian.
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

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Drop the anti-semitic bs. Anti-anything isn't tolerated here.

This guy doesn't look or act Jewish. Looks more like a dark haired Scandinavian.
I was only saying that dark-haired, darkish-skinned Mediterranean whites are sub-optimal whites, and aren't able to play Just Be White game (Nordics are optimal whites).
 

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I completely disagree on face. I have had good facial aesthetics and haven't noticed that much on it.

I think physique and height matter more than face and hair.

I have had a strong hairline and good facial aesthetics. However, my POV might be skewed because I don't have a top 15% face. Maybe like a 70-75th percentile face.
You're too short to have a sub-85 face.
 

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He seems to have a Mediterranean look about him, most probably Jewish, which is suboptimal as well (i.e., like being a halfway EthnicCel).

Stop watching when the guy said the last girl he dated was in 2016 and the last relationship in 2010. Sorry but if you haven't dated or dealt with women in nearly a decade (excluding marriage or LTR) I really can't take him seriously.
 

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Stop watching when the guy said the last girl he dated was in 2016 and the last relationship in 2010. Sorry but if you haven't dated or dealt with women in nearly a decade (excluding marriage or LTR) I really can't take him seriously.
You have no idea how stark one's love life can get. :mad:
 

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You have no idea how stark one's love life can get. :mad:
I have dealt with situations regarding women that I do not wish on the average man. The confusion of my love life and dating is what brought me here in 2008. I'm not perfect nor do I claim to be but I can't take a guy seriously who wants to pontificate about dating yet has no experience in nearly 10 years. In the last 10 years, we've had covid, which changed the dating environment to what it is now, #metoo movement, Gender identity politics which now every Western woman seems to cling too, the death of 3rd spaces etc.

The guy may be right with his thesis, but I can't be bothered to watch and waste my time. I watched this video recently

I first heard this theory from Roosh he called it "Cost Per Notch" but as someone who has been tracking his CPN this year.I find that topic a whole lot more interesting and refreshing especially to see men who are dating comparing notes, and not men who aren't. As it gives insight into men's current dating experience from the financial aspect, and not the same tired "Men are single because of women do xzy or don't do XYZ"
 

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I was only saying that dark-haired, darkish-skinned Mediterranean whites are sub-optimal whites, and aren't able to play Just Be White game (Nordics are optimal whites).
I agree with this.

The most in-demand White men I've seen in the mating market in the USA cities where I have lived are ones with lighter skin, somewhat lighter hair, and more Northern European ancestry.

The best thing about having Nordic ancestry in a major USA city is height. Given the current USA market where women have more abundance than ever, height is a factor that is more and more desirable. I reached my adult height in 2000 (age 17) and it is very average (5'10"). I have seen a significant difference in the way that my height has been perceived in my college and earliest post-college years (2001-2009) as compared to 2010-present.

White males who have more of a Mediterranean look (dark hair, dark-ish White skin tone) have less favorable genetic composition. There's still a market for those White males in the USA, but it is a narrower, niche look that does not play as well as compared to lighter skin Whites with Northern European/Nordic ancestry. There are enough White males with a Mediterranean who can seduce and put up solid notch counts, but it is generally going to take more effort and more of what Rollo Tomassi would call "money, muscles, and game".

I first heard this theory from Roosh he called it "Cost Per Notch" but as someone who has been tracking his CPN I find that topic a whole lot more interesting. As it gives insight on men's dating experience from the financial aspect, and not the same tired "Men are single because of women do xzy or don't do XYZ"
I've found Cost Per Notch analysis to be interesting. There are numerous approaches for analyzing Cost Per Notch.

Here's Roosh's 2nd article on Cost Per Notch from 2009. This is a really good and really simple formula for it.


Stop watching when the guy said the last girl he dated was in 2016 and the last relationship in 2010. Sorry but if you haven't dated or dealt with women in nearly a decade (excluding marriage or LTR) I really can't take him seriously.
Has he been regularly interacting with women in field since 2016? If he hasn't been actively swiping, sending DMs, or doing in-person approaches since that time, then his opinion is less valid. It's possible to not date a woman for 9 years and still be making efforts like the ones I mentioned.
 

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Has he been regularly interacting with women in field since 2016? If he hasn't been actively swiping, sending DMs, or doing in-person approaches since that time, then his opinion is less valid. It's possible to not date a woman for 9 years and still be making efforts like the ones I mentioned.
Not sure if you watched the video but the guy goes through his dating experience

1 Had 1 Girlfriend in college (2010-2011) who wanted to open the relationship up and he didn't(his only girlfriend ever)
2. 5 Hookups in his life (I got 5 different Hookups in one month last year, not bragging)
3. Last date was with some chick from high school in 2016, who was trying to go on dates with all her crushes to see which one she liked the most and after 2 dates it fizzled out.

Doesn't sound like much effort to me.
 

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Not sure if you watched the video but the guy goes through his dating experience
I didn't watch that much of it when initially posted.

1 Had 1 Girlfriend in college (2010-2011) who wanted to open the relationship up and he didn't(his only girlfriend ever)
Very unimpressive. That's the kind of thing that shouldn't be notable in any way in 2025. A quality seducer around his age would have barely remembered this. It is likely this guy has dwelled on that interaction for the past 14 years.

2. 5 Hookups in his life (I got 5 different Hookups in one month last year, not bragging)
Better than some.

3. Last date was with some chick from high school in 2016, who was trying to go on dates with all her crushes to see which one she liked the most and after 2 dates it fizzled out.
Crappy

Doesn't sound like much effort to me.
Probably not. It's doubtful that he is doing tons of swiping, DMing, and approaching.

If he did something like this and had similar outcomes, then his feedback has more value.


This is a guy who swiped on 16,000 women, got 3 "one date, no sex, no extended relationship" interactions, and 0 instances of sex.
 

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Your women have the biggest knockers, bar none. Have you seen Ben Shapiro's sister? o_Oo_O
Yes. I don’t think our women are generally attractive though. I married a blonde and blue eyed white woman.
 

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e males who have more of a Mediterranean look (dark hair, dark-ish White skin tone) have less favorable genetic composition.
The Greeks I sent to high school with had a stranglehold over a chunk of the women. But that was in a borough of NYC and they had a lot of money.
 

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Our BaldCel friend doesn’t realize that, in general, men with abundance don’t want LTRs whereas men without abundance do. And women want relationships with men who have abundance but not with men who lack abundance. Clearly Mr. BaldCel lacks abundance.
 

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White males who have more of a Mediterranean look (dark hair, dark-ish White skin tone) have less favorable genetic composition. There's still a market for those White males in the USA, but it is a narrower, niche look that does not play as well as compared to lighter skin Whites with Northern European/Nordic ancestry. There are enough White males with a Mediterranean who can seduce and put up solid notch counts, but it is generally going to take more effort and more of what Rollo Tomassi would call "money, muscles, and game".
The Greeks I sent to high school with had a stranglehold over a chunk of the women. But that was in a borough of NYC and they had a lot of money.
In the USA, some of success for Mediterranean looking White males is geographically dependent.

New York City and the Northeastern USA is more favorable to Mediterranean looking White males (Many Italian-Americans, Greek-Americans, Ashkenazi Jews, etc.) are they are more common in that region. In your specific example, the money factor helped those Greek-Americans in NYC.

In Dallas, the White male look that tends to be most favored by women is the lighter skin, somewhat lighter hair, and more Northern European ancestry. I have called that a "cookie cutter" White male look. Non-ethnic looking White males tend to do better here than more ethnic looking White males because the Mediterranean ethnicities have never had much of a history in Dallas. Dallas was never a hub of the mass Italian-American immigration in the late 19th and early 20th Century, nor was it a hub for any other Mediterranean type direct immigration from the old countries. It's true that Mediterranean looking White men can be successful seducers in Metro Dallas, but it is going to require more "money, muscles, game" type attributes.
 
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