Raiders116
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Help me out
Whats the best way to get out of it??
Whats the best way to get out of it??
Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."
You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.
She's been waiting forty minutes.
Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
You can't. It's just that simple. War Against Betaism's suggestion is accurate. The more time you spend away from her the better your chances would be,but do you really want to do that? Do you really want to spend the next 6 to 12 months waiting and plotting how to get this one girl? Really? Because in my opinion,it's just not worth it. It's simply too much work. You'd have to be totally,completely separated from her,100%. If you go to a store and you bump into her,the time starts all over again from that point. You go two months without seeing her,then you accidentally run into her again,the two months you went without any contact becomes useless,then it starts all over again. Forget that,there's no way I'm going to put my social life through all that nonsense. Not only that,but let's say you do manage to go 10,12 months without seeing her,then you finally meet up with her again.You'd still have to:Raiders116 said:Help me out
Whats the best way to get out of it??
Raiders116 said:Ok, I see what your saying, but let me elaborate:
While I do have one girl in mind, its not just her. I get friendzoned consistantly. To be honest with you, I believe i'm ****y/funny naturally, and I usually dont have problems talking with girls. They all seem to love me too, which is why I'm confused.
Anyway here's my situation. igetit, your suggestion really isn't realistic based on the fact that she calls me multiple times a week to hang out. Were freshman at the same college and we've been friends since 9th grade. Honestly, i can't be 100% sure I'm friendzone'd with her (she will hold on to my arm/hand, rest her head on my shoulder, etc.), but whenever I try to make a move or something on her, I get no real responce. It's kind of like some days she likes me, and some days she dosn't...
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
You are a friend if...Raiders116 said:Ok, I see what your saying, but let me elaborate:
While I do have one girl in mind, its not just her. I get friendzoned consistantly. To be honest with you, I believe i'm ****y/funny naturally, and I usually dont have problems talking with girls. They all seem to love me too, which is why I'm confused.
Anyway here's my situation. igetit, your suggestion really isn't realistic based on the fact that she calls me multiple times a week to hang out. Were freshman at the same college and we've been friends since 9th grade. Honestly, i can't be 100% sure I'm friendzone'd with her (she will hold on to my arm/hand, rest her head on my shoulder, etc.), but whenever I try to make a move or something on her, I get no real responce. It's kind of like some days she likes me, and some days she dosn't...
You want to be analyzed,huh?Raiders116 said:^^Analyze me
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
HOLY ****...THIS IS GOLD..guywhoneedshelp said:The first article I ever found, which led me to the seduction community:
http://www.sosuave.com/quick/tip286.htm
also see http://www.sosuave.com/halloffame/hall80.htm
Yes. Cut your losses cold turkey. If she calls you, be polite and nice. Don't give her more than 10 mins of your time. Tell her it was cool talking to her and you gotta run. If she ask you to go out, refuse politely.PS79 said:Explain this six months to a year... Do you guys mean ZERO contact?
In my situation, I haven't seen a certain girl in four months but I'll send a text or an email once in a blue moon....
Oh PS79. You just don't get it,do you? There is a reason we say to cut contact with the girl. I repeat:THERE IS A REASON WE SAY TO CUT CONTACT.PS79 said:That's ridiculous....
Some of you guys in this forum say cut your losses completely...never speak to the person ever again...why?? that's brutal. first off, how is it a loss? maybe it wasn't good timing... maybe she wasn't ready for a relationship at that time...
Nobody said to burn any bridges. Of course you want to be on good terms with the girl.PS79 said:Keep it in good terms cause you never know what might happen down the line. Always keep your options open...
YES!!! ZERO CONTACT. Like I said,there's a reason we say to cut all contact with the girl. Allow me to explain:Let's say you meet a girl,spend 2 or 3 weeks getting to know her,then you ask her out and she pulls out the LJBF card. If she pulls the LJBF on you,it means you didn't create any attraction with her. The "you" that you approached her with,she's not attracted to. The purpose of the no contact is to be out of her presence long enough to let her forget about the "you" that she LJBF'ed. It doesn't have to be 6 to 12 months,but enough time HAS TO PASS to the point when you approach her again that she doean't remember the "old you". This way with the old you gone,now you can approach her with a clean slate,and whatever you did wrong that caused her to LJBF you in the past,now you have another opportunity to get it right this time.PS79 said:Explain this six months to a year...Do you guys mean ZERO contact?
Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."
You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.
She's been waiting forty minutes.
Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.
She always had boyfriends/i wasn't really ever romanticlly intrested in her until recently.Five years dude. This one thing here,all by itself with nothing else added to it is enough to make this determination. If you had written nothing else about you and this girl,only this one thing,I'd say the same thing
I wouldn't say I was "in her prensence" all this time. We talked at school and everything, but we never really hung out alot until recently. And whats this about "your either dating a girl or not"? i see people in complicated relationships/friends with benefits-type deals all the time. My best friend was in one, i should know....You either date a woman,or you don't. If you don't date her,yet you continue to be in her presense,you fall into the friendzone by default. And for the last five years,you've been in her presense not dating her. You're her friend.
While I realize that your above statement is completely true, I should mention that in the past she has told me she was attracted to me, we have even made out before (believe it or not). So its not there is zero history between us here. And above you say something to the effect of "i'm a friend if she always meet, but never in an intimate place". Her room isn't an intimate place? Now I understand what your saying when you say about how she trusts me too much to feel anything sexual, and she would have been better off kicking me out (she's done that too, this is only one time i spoke of before). Now from what I got from your above statement was if she allows me to be intimate place with her she see's me only as friend, however in wc's post he infers that if she allows me to be in an intimate place with her she see's me as more then a friend. Do you see what i'm getting at?You said that you've been in her room while she was changing clothes?
Dude,you've GOT to be new here. That's what girls do around other girls or gay guys. She felt comfortable enough to undress with you in the room because she believes that you are her friend,that there is NO sexual interest betwwen the two of you. Sex with you is the last thing on her mind,it's not even in her realm of thought. that's why she didn't mind undressing with you there. In fact,you'd be better off if she'd told you to leave the room while she was changing. That would have meant that the thought of sex/sexual attraction was at least on the radar screen with you. She didn't even consider you a possible sexual threat
Ahh ok, here's the thing: I have plenty of friends, a great social life, etc. I'm pretty happy with the way things are right now. While I'm all for randomly hooking up with girls, with this particular one i'm looking for more of a relationship rather then a one night stand.Raiders there's a good old quote that says when you analyze something you change it! If you've got yourself a good friend why change it?
Ok first of all, I promise you that you won't get anywhere if you can't take constructive criticism. It's fine to defend yourself, however a big part of becoming a better man is admitting where you're wrong.Raiders116 said:She always had boyfriends/i wasn't really ever romanticlly intrested in her until recently.
I wouldn't say I was "in her prensence" all this time. We talked at school and everything, but we never really hung out alot until recently. And whats this about "your either dating a girl or not"? i see people in complicated relationships/friends with benefits-type deals all the time. My best friend was in one, i should know....
While I realize that your above statement is completely true, I should mention that in the past she has told me she was attracted to me, we have even made out before (believe it or not). So its not there is zero history between us here. And above you say something to the effect of "i'm a friend if she always meet, but never in an intimate place". Her room isn't an intimate place? Now I understand what your saying when you say about how she trusts me too much to feel anything sexual, and she would have been better off kicking me out (she's done that too, this is only one time i spoke of before). Now from what I got from your above statement was if she allows me to be intimate place with her she see's me only as friend, however in wc's post he infers that if she allows me to be in an intimate place with her she see's me as more then a friend. Do you see what i'm getting at?
Ahh ok, here's the thing: I have plenty of friends, a great social life, etc. I'm pretty happy with the way things are right now. While I'm all for randomly hooking up with girls, with this particular one i'm looking for more of a relationship rather then a one night stand.
Igetit! said:Oh PS79. You just don't get it,do you? There is a reason we say to cut contact with the girl. I repeat:THERE IS A REASON WE SAY TO CUT CONTACT.
Nobody said to burn any bridges. Of course you want to be on good terms with the girl.
YES!!! ZERO CONTACT. Like I said,there's a reason we say to cut all contact with the girl. Allow me to explain:Let's say you meet a girl,spend 2 or 3 weeks getting to know her,then you ask her out and she pulls out the LJBF card. If she pulls the LJBF on you,it means you didn't create any attraction with her. The "you" that you approached her with,she's not attracted to. The purpose of the no contact is to be out of her presence long enough to let her forget about the "you" that she LJBF'ed. It doesn't have to be 6 to 12 months,but enough time HAS TO PASS to the point when you approach her again that she doean't remember the "old you". This way with the old you gone,now you can approach her with a clean slate,and whatever you did wrong that caused her to LJBF you in the past,now you have another opportunity to get it right this time.
If you cut contact with her for 8 months,absolute zero contact,then when you reestablish contact with her again,she remembers you,that is,the original you she LJBFed,then the eight months you waited was useless.
You said that you haven't seen some girl for like four months,but you send each other text and emails every now and then. Well,the four months that there has been no contact between you two is futile,it's worthless. As long as she remember the original you, the one that approached her,the one that she put in the friendzone,you have NOOOO chance with her.
WOW. Impressive,Warrior74.Warrior74 said:Yup. Plus you need time to forget her and how you feel about her. You need time to grow and you can't grow around people who mentally put you back into your old place. This is why you go away to basic training instead of doing it at home. You ain't gonna learn to kill while hanging out with your mama, you gotta go and be molded into a solider and then come back to show them the new you. Get me?
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.