"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Friday Night FR: The First Date/kiss PU

coldcoal

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Went out to a bar with 3 others. Friend, his GF and some fat, annoyig b*tch (The GF's friend). The pair up made it look like the fattie was with me, bad start. I had to drop that impression, so I approached a blonde & red head I made EC with. They asked, so I had to explain the big girl and I weren't together and got the convo going pretty well.

We talked for maybe a half hour, which isn't something I aim to do, but it was good convo so the time passed quick. Good enough that when my "group" told me they were hitting another bar, I told them to go on ahead without me.

Instead of going for the # close, I decided to ask them if they were up for hitting another place themselves. Somehow bowling came up and off we went.

I flirted with both a little, especially when the other was in the bathroom, but I got better kino and settled with focusing on the blonde in the end. Luck be that the blonde had the car and the redhead lived closest when we decided to drop everyone off played in my favor.

So we drop off red and she drives me back to my pad. We get out of the car, share the sentiments of having a good time and I go for the kiss. Nice. Good. Intimate. She smiled, I smiled, and then we finally exchange numbers.

And then we went our own way. Nothing spectacular, I guess, but I think it's a good example that the # doesn't always have to be the first step!
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Seems like a perfect outcome. I would have gone straight for the number instead of going bowling but considering there was 2 of them, you did the right thing.
 

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The way I see it, I got all that first call BS out of the way. Didn't have to wait an X number of days, just did what I felt I could get away with. The mood was inviting to try it.

Why would you have not done this? Just curious.
 
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Not my style...I'm more straightforward. Here are my negatives...

1. You were there with other mates..

2. Club scene (there could be other girls there for the taking)...

3. There were two girls (3's a crowd - isolate!)...

4. From club mood to bowling mood, not in the right frame of mind or appropriate attire...

5. No car - don't have control over the situation.

6. Don't know much about the company I'm with.
 

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Originally posted by PuertoRican_Lover
Not my style...I'm more straightforward. Here are my negatives...

1. You were there with other mates..
Yes, My buddy, his girl and an ear-piercing, voiced pudge who invited herself along and took a liking to me...very uncomfortable situation to say the least...I think my buddy was sympathetic and understanding to my decision!
2. Club scene (there could be other girls there for the taking)...
I was happy enough to have two on the leash. I'm not greedy.

3. There were two girls (3's a crowd - isolate!)...

I did... eventually...

4. From club mood to bowling mood, not in the right frame of mind or appropriate attire...
Like I said, just a pub. Not dressed up. Besides, ever see two drunk chicks bowl? Fvckin hilarious.

5. No car - don't have control over the situation.
Worst case scenerio? "Fvck you too, b*tch" beep bop beep boop beep beep beep...."Hey Man, Pick me up downtown. She flaked."

6. Don't know much about the company I'm with.
Wow. Yeah. You're right. They could have raped me.

I'm just kidding with ya PRL. I don't know, man. I just felt like I knew I had something in the bag. Know what I mean? Hell, I was even thinking threesome for a while there!
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

Read more...

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Originally posted by coldcoal
The way I see it, I got all that first call BS out of the way. Didn't have to wait an X number of days, just did what I felt I could get away with. The mood was inviting to try it.
I think you did good continuing the PU. You got to decide which of the two you would close (plus having the chance it could have been all three of you back home). Importantly you increased rapport and turned it from a phone number in a bar (likely to be high flake potential) to a second date type scenario.

No point going for the number early if you can extract her right there and then for a "mini-date" or you can continue/advance the PU.

All you would do with the number is call her to set up what you could have already done.
 

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Good work bro. I really didnt expect this outcome when i started reading, which is a good thing.
 
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