"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
FR: Talked to this girl and got her number.
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"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
Snow Plowman
Master Don Juan
Honestly I doubt he is lying because I've spoken to this guy for awhile now, but whether it was true or not, it wouldn't matter so longs you know YOURSELF is out there then that's all that matters...
The reason I'd say it's not a lie is because the way he said he rolled up, the utter verbal content that comes out of my mouth is very similar...I'm actually assuming the "Pokemon" example was something he was referring to that I told him about...I had opened a chick saying "Like pokemon I chose you"...
The whole getting kicked in the nuts and restraining orders is a limiting belief. It's the sub-communication that makes the difference between it flying or not flying, which is why words don't matter. Anyone who has seen me infield knows I have the WORST verbal content in the world. What I'm saying has no thought, it's utter retardedness, but that's what I love so I do it...Aragon034 said:
I don't know how El Stud does it but that time of BS does work...I'm not saying that off of theory...I'm saying that off of personal experience. I don't do direct or indirect...I do random...my random openers have never blown me out because I'm totally amusing myself and I live in my own world.sprint said:
You can't care what people think about you because how the heck will you talk to a chick on the train during rush hour...heck I don't even look for IOIs or IODs because that stuff doesn't matter either...and I'm saying that because I made out with a chick who showed no interest at all...
Honestly whether it was a actual good or bad approach...he still approached...she was obviously interested to some extent at that moment because of something. YES he does have to call her up...sprint said:
There is a fine line of what you can and can't do but that LINE is so far that most people don't even know how far that line is. The easiest example is when guys go in for the kiss and think if he gets rejected it's over little does he know he can try 5-6 times and eventually move the interaction forward...Heck there is an instructor guy who wasn't getting any good reactions from a chick for 6 hours but he stayed in and plowed...eventually he ended up having sex with her...
My advice to all is just go out there and push it to the limit, find your own boundaries and your own style...because I know my style isn't congruent to many...
Let's say ElStud got a girlfriend (not that this would ever happen) and somehow got laid (not that this would ever happen). Do you think he would come on here and post about every time they had sex?
Just a thought.
Not that this would ever happen though.
"She's Out of Your League"
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
Why would he need a gf to get laid?? He's in college. I don't understand his whole approaching chicks, get numbers routine. He's in college, why would anyone have to do things the proper way like this? If you're in college, you meets chicks thru your circle of friends or acquaintances, or you go to a lot of drunken parties and alcohol works wonders sometimes for getting sex. He should be going for the drunken hookup or one night stand imo. If the goal is getting laid, then get laid and don't focus on getting a gf first....that can take a lot of work....young_gun said: