"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
FR: Number closed a Freshman.
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"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
SilverSonnet
Senior Don Juan
I dunno how old a freshman is, but if it's anything less than 16, that's pretty fvcked up.Anyway, good luck people. And stop with the KJ'ing, it's pathetic.
Tell that to Wescott dude. And in the end, I really don't care if you think I'm making up crap, because in the end, the FR's are still real and in the end, I'm still improving.SilverSonnet said:Lol. I'm not taking a side. I'm just gonna sit here and watch you fight over the fvcking internet. Congratz if you got the number, lmao @ you if your lying about it, shows how pathetic you are. And since Im british
Anyway, good luck people. And stop with the KJ'ing, it's pathetic.
As for Wescott, I'm just going to ignore because you're an ass and a hater.
LostAndConfused
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Freshmen *typically* range from 13-15 years old, I was 16 though because I started school late.Papermoon said:How old are freshmans? Not an American, so I've no idea. Anything under 16 is not cool.
And while a 4 year difference with a minor is legal (only when your 18 and younger), I don't see why you would want to get their numbers ANYWAYS.
They are easy. and when you step up your game to girls around your age, you'll find them alot harder to get.
I guess the practice is good though, right?
And when will El Stud get in his thick head just because you pull a number doesn't mean your such a success. I could pull numbers from girls at my school who are repulsed by me, if I come with the right angle and with the right game. It doesn't mean shit though.
“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”
Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.
In Motion
Senior Don Juan
Omg, you are so right, you have PROOF! Because it is simply physically impossible to make stuff up and post it on the internet, oh the proof. But thats not my point. Now, you CONSTANTLY post FRs about you getting numbers from girls, even though you call them fuzzy and talk about your ex girlfriend.ElStud said:
When the FVCK do we get to see a date report or a LR? WHEN? WHEN? Or are all the numbers fake? Do you never call them? Ive seen you post at least 5 girls which you invited to play rock band (WTF is it with you and rock band btw?). But did it ever happen? Apparently not, because you tend to post every interaction with the female species and not ONCE have I seen a LR, or a date report or anything even close to that.
MacAvoy
Banned
Can you tell me how your comments improve the website and the mindset of its posters please because I don't see anything from it? If you don't like someone, then ignore them, your negativity and everyone else's is whats bringing down the site.
The point that I'm tryin to make gentlemen is that cutting this kid down isn't going to help him. My mom taught me that its better to bake with sugar than salt. If you see some holes in his game, be a DJ and point out in a productive way how he can improve his game.
You are suppose to be older, more mature men, why act like children cutting each other down? Be a DJ, lead by example, not by showing how cool you are fighting on the internet. (Read signature)
SilverSonnet
Senior Don Juan
Freshmen are easy? That's a VERY very stupid generalization to make. Freshmen are girls and no Freshmen girl is the same. The simple fact a girl is a Freshmen will not decide whether she's hard or easy to pull. To make that generalization is very idiotic of you. Freshmen girls are no harder or easier than seniors or juniors or even colleges girls. If you think so, then you're probably wrong.LostAndConfused said:
Why get their numbers? Practice. And no, numbers don't mean sh*t and nobodies trying to say they do.
Yeah, too bad I don't give two sh*ts about whatever experience he has. He's an assh*le, a hater and loves to start arguments out of nothing. The only reason I could think of someone accusing someone else of making "Fake" FR's is for the simple fact, that person is jealous inside.
But let's get this clear, if you don't got nothing good to say or you don't got anything USEFUL to say, I'm straight up just skipping your so called advice. I don't want to know all your f*cking opinions on what I do and if you're just going to post for the purpose of hating, you might as well not post, because it's getting ignored. Now if you have some solid, good, unbiased advice, feel free to post. But I don't need to hear everyones little opinion on everything.
"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
You are. You think your the sh1t when you pull a (fake) number, you come here are act like a big player but in the end, your right back where you started. And no, your not improving like you said, because you have 1200+ posts and none of your so called "field reports" have been any different from the last.ElStud said:
WesCottII
Master Don Juan
What are you really getting at though Wescott? Say my FR's are fake a billion times, who cares, it doesn't change the fact that they're are real and I'm improving, while you sit on your fatass hating on people on the net and talking crap. I think you're honestly f*cking jealous though dude. That's the only f*cking reason you'd accuse my FR's of being fake.
I'm done replying to ANYONE here though because let's face it, this forum is just full of f*cking haters and trolls. You guys have made it CLEAR over SEVERAL threads, that you have nothing, "helpful", "smart" or "intelligent" to say, so I'm just not replying to anyone good or bad anymore in these threads. You want to f*cking argue, go p*ss off your mother or go to preschool. This forum is for people who actually go out and do sh*t, which is something I can say FEW members of this forum ACTUALLY do.
WesCottII
Master Don Juan
Just so you know:
1) A confident man doesn't brag about his achievments. He doesn't need other approval (and don't bullsh!t me, you wouldn't be posting here if you didn't want approval.
2) You're taunts about me being a fake don't bother me. I'm confident in my abilities, and don't need to prove them to anyone. Choose to believe what you wish, I'm secure with myself. Can you say the same?
Anyone familiar with psychology would see this is classic displacement and/or projection theory. Displacing your faults onto me "you use tricks. . . women would run away from you. . .you're an arsehole. . .your attitude is awful" - these are your attributes mike, not mine. I've never used tricks (like you pretending you have an ex-g/f), Women don't run away from me (unlike you: See getting kicked out of A&F, and the dinner lady telling you to leave girls alone because you're creepy) and my attitude isn't awful (You = crying every time someone tells you you're rubbish.)
"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
In Motion
Senior Don Juan
First of all I have no need to post all my interactions with the female species, also I have a GF right now. ElStud doesnt listen to anyone, it doesnt fvcking matter if I am nice or mean, he is a plain D!CK! Accept it, theres no hope for him.MacAvoy said:
ElStud: So are you going to be a fvcking ***** again and not reply to my post becasue you know I am right?
LostAndConfused
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OK we can agree to disagree, from my personal experience, freshmen girls look up to their upperclassmen, and it naturally makes pickup easier. And I couldn't give two sh*ts if you call me idiotic or not, you haven't backed up your point anyways. :crackup:ElStud said:
Girls don't NEED to decide if they are easy or not. What, you actually think when a girl puts on her clothes she thinks to herself, "hey, I think I'll be easy today!" NO. But girls, in general, naturally follow that mob-mentality, and the mob mentality in high school is that the upperclassmen are more dominant, and girls go for the dominant men.
Now that isn't to say that a freshmen girl won't go out with a freshman boy, it happens a ton! But because of seniority you naturally have an edge...to put it in your rock band terms, your playing it on easy. Thats just my experience though.
"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.