"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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FR: Mall salesgirl

Leporello

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So a few days ago I was at the mall and I passed by a cute, bored-looking salesgirl standing by the window of her shop. Without thinking about it much I went in.

This is a shop that really shouldn't exist; it almost exclusively sells T-shirts with 'edgy' messages (usually about sex) on the front, but for some reason you see alot of people wearing them. Anyway, I have a feeling this helped because the mindset of people in the shop is already a bit cheeky, so they're not too surprised when their customers are the same.

So I'm looking around trying to find something halfway decent, and asking that HB7.5 for her advice about what would look good on me. Alot of the shirts have references to boyfriends/girlfriends so this is a very natural way for me to let her know that I'm single, and she just as casually mentions that she's single too. The other salesgirls start giggling.

So, long story short, I bought a shirt and paid with my credit card. Then, I wrote my phone number on the back of the receipt and slipped it to her. She texted me later that day, and we're going out tomorrow night. Not bad huh? We'll see how far it goes.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Great results. But obviously, you wanna get her number. Not write down yours and walk away. 8 out of 10 times, that doesn't work.

Good luck with the date though. And kudos on using your surroundings as a conversation starter. Most guys would wonder "How do I start talking to her?" By using whatever's around her.
 

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Iceberg said:
Great results. But obviously, you wanna get her number. Not write down yours and walk away. 8 out of 10 times, that doesn't work.

Good luck with the date though. And kudos on using your surroundings as a conversation starter. Most guys would wonder "How do I start talking to her?" By using whatever's around her.
2 out of 10 is a fine ratio is in this game...but anyway, I think by giving her your number (and not saying anything directly) might even be better because there's no intimidation. She's not put on the spot in public and so she won't feel so uncomfortable.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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Leporello said:
2 out of 10 is a fine ratio is in this game...but anyway, I think by giving her your number (and not saying anything directly) might even be better because there's no intimidation. She's not put on the spot in public and so she won't feel so uncomfortable.
Writing down a number and hoping that she initiates contact with you? Perhaps. But then if the girl didn't get back to me, I'd be sitting around wondering if my fate would have changed if I had just gotten her number instead of slipping mines to her.

Maybe it's just a personal thing, but I've learned to hate passive behavior in myself. I hate walking away from situations thinking that I could have done more to get things to go my way.

But like I said, good job. It worked out for you.
 

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Iceberg said:
Writing down a number and hoping that she initiates contact with you? Perhaps. But then if the girl didn't get back to me, I'd be sitting around wondering if my fate would have changed if I had just gotten her number instead of slipping mines to her.

Maybe it's just a personal thing, but I've learned to hate passive behavior in myself. I hate walking away from situations thinking that I could have done more to get things to go my way.

But like I said, good job. It worked out for you.
I will say this: if she'd been alone I would've asked for her number, but she wasn't, and in my view that changes the whole dynamic.
 

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Is that a form of prostitution? I mean you bought a t-shirt to get her to bang. A hooker could just sell t-shirts and then give you a free gift.
 

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Good one! Keep us updated how your date goes. If it doesn't go well I reckon you should return the shirt and get a refund lol
 

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Iceberg said:
Writing down a number and hoping that she initiates contact with you? Perhaps. But then if the girl didn't get back to me, I'd be sitting around wondering if my fate would have changed if I had just gotten her number instead of slipping mines to her.
dude, i guess one way of looking at it is, if u give her your number and she doesnt contact u, u just saved yourself tonnes of time. So you can gladly forget abt her.

in this case, OP did make some rapport with the HB so i guess chances are higher.

To each his own i guess.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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lol she used you to buy one of her products.
 
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Can people please not argue or listen to anything SanJoseCalifornia says?

He is one of those advice-giving sosuave virgins, of course girls never call HIM, because he hasn't done a single thing to try to improve his personality, or his appearance, otherwise he wouldn't be a virgin anymore.


As for you Leprello, I'm going to have to give you some harsh but honest truth you little pvssy..........that was fvcking smooth, and perfectly done (just kidding bout the pvssy part)
 

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I'm not as convinced about only getting her number. I used to think that way, but when people reach out to you first, they are much more likely to want to meet up with you. Also THEY are the ones going through the worrying of "What do I say, when do I call" etc. etc. I think you can totally do it if you have built up a good connection with the girl and she is into you. You can't just spend 3 minutes on a random in a bar and do it, that won't get you **** at all.
 

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OK, the date.

It was pretty standard first-date stuff. We went to a restaurant and gave each other background data, felt around for common interests etc. She was kind of passive; she actually wanted me to order for her, which no girl I've ever met has asked me to do before.

After eating we walked in a small park near the restaurant. Of her own volition she put her arm around mine and didn't object when I took her hand. After a little while we were sitting on a bench cuddling.

"I don't understand why I'm so comfortable with you" she said. "It feels like I've known you for a long time." I couldn't resist asking 'Is that why you wrote to me when I gave you my number?" She nodded "Alot of guys come into the shop and try to hit on us, but they're so stupid. They say, you know, 'When do you get off work?' 'Wanna' go out tonight'? Like what i really want to do after working all day is go out with some random guy! If they ask for my number I just say I have a boyfriend. But with you I don't feel it's a random guy. It's hard to explain."

Not much else of note happened. She keeps texting me every day and asking me to come visit her while she's working, so i have a feeling it went okay.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Leporello said:
Not much else of note happened. She keeps texting me every day and asking me to come visit her while she's working, so i have a feeling it went okay.
You definitely did. Good job. ;)

P.S. Always trust your instincts before some stranger's advice.
 
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did you pay for her meal? If so, then why are you buying a meal for a total stranger?

Feel free to pay for her sometimes AFTER you fvck her, but not before!
 

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You better listen to Rescue Mission! He gives some of the best advice on here as well as Kailex, Victory Unlimited, Igetit!, Captain, nismo-4, sodbuster, squirrels, among others!
 

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Leporello said:
OK, the date.

It was pretty standard first-date stuff. We went to a restaurant and gave each other background data, felt around for common interests etc. She was kind of passive; she actually wanted me to order for her, which no girl I've ever met has asked me to do before.

After eating we walked in a small park near the restaurant. Of her own volition she put her arm around mine and didn't object when I took her hand. After a little while we were sitting on a bench cuddling.

"I don't understand why I'm so comfortable with you" she said. "It feels like I've known you for a long time." I couldn't resist asking 'Is that why you wrote to me when I gave you my number?" She nodded "Alot of guys come into the shop and try to hit on us, but they're so stupid. They say, you know, 'When do you get off work?' 'Wanna' go out tonight'? Like what i really want to do after working all day is go out with some random guy! If they ask for my number I just say I have a boyfriend. But with you I don't feel it's a random guy. It's hard to explain."

Not much else of note happened. She keeps texting me every day and asking me to come visit her while she's working, so i have a feeling it went okay.
Well done!

Remember to try to Kino it up on every date. Kiss close and you're money in the bank.
 

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Can someone explain what Kino is?
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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