"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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FR: Mall salesgirl

Leporello

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So a few days ago I was at the mall and I passed by a cute, bored-looking salesgirl standing by the window of her shop. Without thinking about it much I went in.

This is a shop that really shouldn't exist; it almost exclusively sells T-shirts with 'edgy' messages (usually about sex) on the front, but for some reason you see alot of people wearing them. Anyway, I have a feeling this helped because the mindset of people in the shop is already a bit cheeky, so they're not too surprised when their customers are the same.

So I'm looking around trying to find something halfway decent, and asking that HB7.5 for her advice about what would look good on me. Alot of the shirts have references to boyfriends/girlfriends so this is a very natural way for me to let her know that I'm single, and she just as casually mentions that she's single too. The other salesgirls start giggling.

So, long story short, I bought a shirt and paid with my credit card. Then, I wrote my phone number on the back of the receipt and slipped it to her. She texted me later that day, and we're going out tomorrow night. Not bad huh? We'll see how far it goes.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Great results. But obviously, you wanna get her number. Not write down yours and walk away. 8 out of 10 times, that doesn't work.

Good luck with the date though. And kudos on using your surroundings as a conversation starter. Most guys would wonder "How do I start talking to her?" By using whatever's around her.
 

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Iceberg said:
Great results. But obviously, you wanna get her number. Not write down yours and walk away. 8 out of 10 times, that doesn't work.

Good luck with the date though. And kudos on using your surroundings as a conversation starter. Most guys would wonder "How do I start talking to her?" By using whatever's around her.
2 out of 10 is a fine ratio is in this game...but anyway, I think by giving her your number (and not saying anything directly) might even be better because there's no intimidation. She's not put on the spot in public and so she won't feel so uncomfortable.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Leporello said:
2 out of 10 is a fine ratio is in this game...but anyway, I think by giving her your number (and not saying anything directly) might even be better because there's no intimidation. She's not put on the spot in public and so she won't feel so uncomfortable.
Writing down a number and hoping that she initiates contact with you? Perhaps. But then if the girl didn't get back to me, I'd be sitting around wondering if my fate would have changed if I had just gotten her number instead of slipping mines to her.

Maybe it's just a personal thing, but I've learned to hate passive behavior in myself. I hate walking away from situations thinking that I could have done more to get things to go my way.

But like I said, good job. It worked out for you.
 

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Iceberg said:
Writing down a number and hoping that she initiates contact with you? Perhaps. But then if the girl didn't get back to me, I'd be sitting around wondering if my fate would have changed if I had just gotten her number instead of slipping mines to her.

Maybe it's just a personal thing, but I've learned to hate passive behavior in myself. I hate walking away from situations thinking that I could have done more to get things to go my way.

But like I said, good job. It worked out for you.
I will say this: if she'd been alone I would've asked for her number, but she wasn't, and in my view that changes the whole dynamic.
 

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Is that a form of prostitution? I mean you bought a t-shirt to get her to bang. A hooker could just sell t-shirts and then give you a free gift.
 

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Good one! Keep us updated how your date goes. If it doesn't go well I reckon you should return the shirt and get a refund lol
 

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Iceberg said:
Writing down a number and hoping that she initiates contact with you? Perhaps. But then if the girl didn't get back to me, I'd be sitting around wondering if my fate would have changed if I had just gotten her number instead of slipping mines to her.
dude, i guess one way of looking at it is, if u give her your number and she doesnt contact u, u just saved yourself tonnes of time. So you can gladly forget abt her.

in this case, OP did make some rapport with the HB so i guess chances are higher.

To each his own i guess.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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lol she used you to buy one of her products.
 
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Can people please not argue or listen to anything SanJoseCalifornia says?

He is one of those advice-giving sosuave virgins, of course girls never call HIM, because he hasn't done a single thing to try to improve his personality, or his appearance, otherwise he wouldn't be a virgin anymore.


As for you Leprello, I'm going to have to give you some harsh but honest truth you little pvssy..........that was fvcking smooth, and perfectly done (just kidding bout the pvssy part)
 

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I'm not as convinced about only getting her number. I used to think that way, but when people reach out to you first, they are much more likely to want to meet up with you. Also THEY are the ones going through the worrying of "What do I say, when do I call" etc. etc. I think you can totally do it if you have built up a good connection with the girl and she is into you. You can't just spend 3 minutes on a random in a bar and do it, that won't get you **** at all.
 

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OK, the date.

It was pretty standard first-date stuff. We went to a restaurant and gave each other background data, felt around for common interests etc. She was kind of passive; she actually wanted me to order for her, which no girl I've ever met has asked me to do before.

After eating we walked in a small park near the restaurant. Of her own volition she put her arm around mine and didn't object when I took her hand. After a little while we were sitting on a bench cuddling.

"I don't understand why I'm so comfortable with you" she said. "It feels like I've known you for a long time." I couldn't resist asking 'Is that why you wrote to me when I gave you my number?" She nodded "Alot of guys come into the shop and try to hit on us, but they're so stupid. They say, you know, 'When do you get off work?' 'Wanna' go out tonight'? Like what i really want to do after working all day is go out with some random guy! If they ask for my number I just say I have a boyfriend. But with you I don't feel it's a random guy. It's hard to explain."

Not much else of note happened. She keeps texting me every day and asking me to come visit her while she's working, so i have a feeling it went okay.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Leporello said:
Not much else of note happened. She keeps texting me every day and asking me to come visit her while she's working, so i have a feeling it went okay.
You definitely did. Good job. ;)

P.S. Always trust your instincts before some stranger's advice.
 
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did you pay for her meal? If so, then why are you buying a meal for a total stranger?

Feel free to pay for her sometimes AFTER you fvck her, but not before!
 

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You better listen to Rescue Mission! He gives some of the best advice on here as well as Kailex, Victory Unlimited, Igetit!, Captain, nismo-4, sodbuster, squirrels, among others!
 

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Leporello said:
OK, the date.

It was pretty standard first-date stuff. We went to a restaurant and gave each other background data, felt around for common interests etc. She was kind of passive; she actually wanted me to order for her, which no girl I've ever met has asked me to do before.

After eating we walked in a small park near the restaurant. Of her own volition she put her arm around mine and didn't object when I took her hand. After a little while we were sitting on a bench cuddling.

"I don't understand why I'm so comfortable with you" she said. "It feels like I've known you for a long time." I couldn't resist asking 'Is that why you wrote to me when I gave you my number?" She nodded "Alot of guys come into the shop and try to hit on us, but they're so stupid. They say, you know, 'When do you get off work?' 'Wanna' go out tonight'? Like what i really want to do after working all day is go out with some random guy! If they ask for my number I just say I have a boyfriend. But with you I don't feel it's a random guy. It's hard to explain."

Not much else of note happened. She keeps texting me every day and asking me to come visit her while she's working, so i have a feeling it went okay.
Well done!

Remember to try to Kino it up on every date. Kiss close and you're money in the bank.
 

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Can someone explain what Kino is?
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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