"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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FR: I know I promised one but...

Scion

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I honestly don't think this can even count as a field report. But I'll still tell you guys what happened.

Let me start off by saying it was kind of a crap night. I was going to a bday celebration for a girl I know. We were all meeting at a bar for it. I get there first, check the place out (it's dead). Grab a beer and sit at the bar. About 10-15 mins later (or 1 beer) I see 2 people over my shoulder. It's the bday girl and her bf. I come up behind them and say hi. We wait for a couple other people that came with them to come in. Now there's about 6-7 of us. We grab a booth and order a few drinks.

We shooting the ****. I'm being pretty social, everyone's paying attention to what I'm saying. A little while later I see a girl I recognize (figure she's there for the bday celebration). I go check out that it's her, we talk for a second and I bring her and a couple other girls back to the booth. This was the peak of the night for me. After this everyone stopped paying any attention to me. I'd try to talk to any girl (even the ones in our party) and they'd look at me and turn their back to me (didn't matter what I said).

Eventually the girl I like gets there with a few other people I know. I go say hi, and try to talk to her. She doesn't seem all that interested in talking to me, and eventually acts like I'm not even there (turning her back to me, not including me in conversations). I ask her to dance, she tells me she doesn't like the song but maybe later. I go off and try and talk to a few other people (both people in my party and random girls). Don't get much attention, mostly ignored (the other 2 single guys in the party talk to me a bit). All the while the girls we're with ignore me and flirt, touch, and talk to the other 2 guys.

I get bored and go outside for some air. See the girl I like out there smoking. I strike up a conversation with her. She starts talking about how her ex bf that who's still living with her tried to crawl into her bed that morning (he broke up with her and is moving). I made a joke, saying that he was probably just trying to get some. She then tells about their history (and how he's broke up with her 2 times before this). We go back in.

I go around and try to talk to a few other girls, just get ignored. Go back to my group, ask the girl I like to dance again. And again she says no. At this point she's not even trying to include me in her conversations with other ppl, no one in my group is. I just stand there, basically a social outcast.

At this point it's about closing time. Without saying anything to anyone I go grab my coat and go outside. Make my call for a cab. While I'm waiting everyone in my group comes outside. One of the guys asks me for directions and says bye. The one guy that drove is asking ppl if they'd like a drive home (he didn't ask me though, even though I was standing right there). No one else says bye to me. My cab comes a minute or two later and I go home.

Now I really never got to talk to the girl I like much, and seeing as I don't have her number I decided to send her one last message on facebook (she added me). I say that I want to take her out and that she should let me know when she's available. I honestly doubt I'll get a positive response (if a response at all) so I'm pretty much calling her a lost cause and moving on. If she contacts me with a positive answer then great, if not then whatever, life goes on.

So yeah, like I said not much of a field report.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Your coming across as super needy bro. Always coming up to her, striking conversation, begging for some scrap of her attention.

Fvck that man, you deserve better, you know you deserve better.
 

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Big Poppa said:
Your coming across as super needy bro. Always coming up to her, striking conversation, begging for some scrap of her attention.

Fvck that man, you deserve better, you know you deserve better.
Yes I agree I deserve better.
 

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since your method of going after them didn't work change it up. Try letting them come to you instead. Spark attention with self amusement, like your case at the bar you could have chilled by yourself, enjoying yourself not caring for anyones thoughts while the others were ignoring you. This would have come off as "not needy" cool, independent, calm, confident. Everyone else would have wondered whats up with you being alone and they would have approached. So next time think you deserve better as Big Poppa said and let them come to you.
 

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1337 said:
since your method of going after them didn't work change it up. Try letting them come to you instead. Spark attention with self amusement, like your case at the bar you could have chilled by yourself, enjoying yourself not caring for anyones thoughts while the others were ignoring you. This would have come off as "not needy" cool, independent, calm, confident. Everyone else would have wondered whats up with you being alone and they would have approached. So next time think you deserve better as Big Poppa said and let them come to you.
I did sit on my own for a while, no one even looked at me. I've sat at bars alone before and I've never been approached once.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Scion

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Shameless bump! Anyone else have any opinions?
 

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Hey man!

Well, let me say I read your other post aswell. and DO NOT FEAR...YOU ARE NOT ALONE ON THIS BOARD! I'm a 24 yr old virgin!!

The good news is, like me, I think you have your head screwed on correctly.

I think an important thing one of my friends told me was to not label myself as a "virgin". That is not who I am. Infact it's not really about sex immediately when chatting to girls etc. so keep the lack of experience anxiety out of your mind!

As for your FR. It was pretty depressing, but we have all been there. We have all had dreadful nights, where we are weak and lame, and being a mere shadow of the person we really are.

MAN, I think your chances with that girl are ruined. I cant see a positive response coming back from her at all....what you did was very afc! and you should know better having read the bible!!

Anyways, like you say, move on! become the new you NOW. Be relaxed, be calm, own the space you are in! say and do what you want with no apologies...those are the kinds of men women are attracted to....
 

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1337 said:
since your method of going after them didn't work change it up. Try letting them come to you instead. Spark attention with self amusement, like your case at the bar you could have chilled by yourself, enjoying yourself not caring for anyones thoughts while the others were ignoring you. This would have come off as "not needy" cool, independent, calm, confident. Everyone else would have wondered whats up with you being alone and they would have approached. So next time think you deserve better as Big Poppa said and let them come to you.

Indeed.


What happened was people saw you trying too hard and it looked bad.


The night started off well. You were being sociable etc and people were chatting to you. As it went on eveybody probably noticed you going up to every girl that was there and showering them with your time and energy. The people there were probably thinking or saying that you're very annoying. Men don't chase girls and girls don't want guys chasing them. If they give any negative feedback then do not waste any more of your valuable time with them.


When people are being chased they tend to run away.


Your chances with that girl are gone. But you can learn from the experiance. The next time you sense things are going downhill its best to leave and say goodnight to everybody. You'll seem far more interesting then. Thats only if things are going bad though.


What were you saying to the girls? I'm guessing they all knew if you were interested in them or not. The trick is to let them know you're interested but YOU have the highest value so YOU are the one doing the qualifing. You need to be confident etc to do that.
 

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Yeah, I really should have left when I stopped having fun. And yeah, I know my chances with that girl are gone, so just gonna move on before I piss her off. But it just sucks that it didn't seem like it's something I did that turned her off, she's just not interested in me at all (hence the ignoring from the get go).
 

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Err, I got a message back from that girl. I may not have completely ruined my chances with her. Though I am still gonna put her on the back burner and let her come to me. Should be easy enough seeing as I see her semi-regularly so I can always still flirt with her but actively pursue other women.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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