"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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FR: Even when a set starts off bad, it can be turned around.

ElStud

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So I was walking and I approached these girls. I came in strong but immediately when I put my hand out for the handshake the girls where acting kind of freaked out. Then when I tried to ask their names they were like "Um... I don't know you" or some sh*t and I even remember one of them saying "Look, have you ever heard of personal space" or some sh*t. Ofcourse I don't logically react to their attempts to blow me out, as I just see that all as sh*t test they use to weed out the average guy.

So eventually I'm like "Well anyways, do you guys go to the football games? I'm in band?" and suddenly same girl who said "Have you ever heard of personal space" is asking "Oh, you're in band? What do you play?" and the whole interaction turned around. But I ejected quickly after that saying "Well, my ride is here but it was nice talking to you guys".
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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:crackup:

man, you don't even see how creepy you are to girls. You're doing something fundamentally wrong if they start to act like this. Therefore, you're not going to get any type of close ever. You need to start actually going on dates and not just approaching. I mean clearly it isn't working...

You said, "So I was walking and I approached these girls. I came in strong but immediately when I put my hand out for the handshake the girls where acting kind of freaked out. Then when I tried to ask their names they were like "Um... I don't know you" or some sh*t and I even remember one of them saying "Look, have you ever heard of personal space" or some sh*t. Ofcourse I don't logically react to their attempts to blow me out, as I just see that all as sh*t test they use to weed out the average guy."

dude, that was NOT a **** test. They did not like you nor want to talk to you. And when she followed up with a question about the band she was just being polite. That entire interaction sounds like the most awkward funny thing ever. I wish I was there. :crackup:
 

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ElStud, read the thread where I replied to you (how to get lays)...read it man...start making some new friends at college.

Mate in all seriousness most girls will not just blow you out like that if you approach right. Work some game in social circles and your approaching will improve mate.
 

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sprint said:
:crackup:

man, you don't even see how creepy you are to girls. You're doing something fundamentally wrong if they start to act like this. Therefore, you're not going to get any type of close ever. You need to start actually going on dates and not just approaching. I mean clearly it isn't working...

You said, "So I was walking and I approached these girls. I came in strong but immediately when I put my hand out for the handshake the girls where acting kind of freaked out. Then when I tried to ask their names they were like "Um... I don't know you" or some sh*t and I even remember one of them saying "Look, have you ever heard of personal space" or some sh*t. Ofcourse I don't logically react to their attempts to blow me out, as I just see that all as sh*t test they use to weed out the average guy."

dude, that was NOT a **** test. They did not like you nor want to talk to you. And when she followed up with a question about the band she was just being polite. That entire interaction sounds like the most awkward funny thing ever. I wish I was there. :crackup:
Hey, politeness is a start dude, because atleast then you can actually start a conversation with them and gradually get them more comfortable with you. Basically it's like, the fact that they were willing to talk to me was a good start. But yeah, even if you're freaking Mystery not every set is going to start off great. Point is, is that even if a set starts bad, it can be turned around. You failed to mention the fact that the girl that said the personal space thing was the one who started being polite.
 

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Mate, you've learnt how to open, you've learnt not to give a ****, it's commendable, but everyone wants to see more.

Now can we move on to more fundamental things like; building comfort, escalation and closing the deal, once you've tried doing this with girls you've already opened then post back with the results.

Good luck :up:
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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ElStud said:
Hey, politeness is a start dude, because atleast then you can actually start a conversation with them and gradually get them more comfortable with you. Basically it's like, the fact that they were willing to talk to me was a good start. But yeah, even if you're freaking Mystery not every set is going to start off great. Point is, is that even if a set starts bad, it can be turned around.
but they weren't willing to talk to you. I mean granted politeness is a start but that approach was just bad. and you didn't really describe how it turned around. All you said was that they asked a question then you ejected.

I think you need to narrow your selection of approaches to those girls who give you a good opportunity. Don't just do any random girl you see. But that's just my advice.
 
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