"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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FR: Even when a set starts off bad, it can be turned around.

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So I was walking and I approached these girls. I came in strong but immediately when I put my hand out for the handshake the girls where acting kind of freaked out. Then when I tried to ask their names they were like "Um... I don't know you" or some sh*t and I even remember one of them saying "Look, have you ever heard of personal space" or some sh*t. Ofcourse I don't logically react to their attempts to blow me out, as I just see that all as sh*t test they use to weed out the average guy.

So eventually I'm like "Well anyways, do you guys go to the football games? I'm in band?" and suddenly same girl who said "Have you ever heard of personal space" is asking "Oh, you're in band? What do you play?" and the whole interaction turned around. But I ejected quickly after that saying "Well, my ride is here but it was nice talking to you guys".
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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man, you don't even see how creepy you are to girls. You're doing something fundamentally wrong if they start to act like this. Therefore, you're not going to get any type of close ever. You need to start actually going on dates and not just approaching. I mean clearly it isn't working...

You said, "So I was walking and I approached these girls. I came in strong but immediately when I put my hand out for the handshake the girls where acting kind of freaked out. Then when I tried to ask their names they were like "Um... I don't know you" or some sh*t and I even remember one of them saying "Look, have you ever heard of personal space" or some sh*t. Ofcourse I don't logically react to their attempts to blow me out, as I just see that all as sh*t test they use to weed out the average guy."

dude, that was NOT a **** test. They did not like you nor want to talk to you. And when she followed up with a question about the band she was just being polite. That entire interaction sounds like the most awkward funny thing ever. I wish I was there. :crackup:
 

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ElStud, read the thread where I replied to you (how to get lays)...read it man...start making some new friends at college.

Mate in all seriousness most girls will not just blow you out like that if you approach right. Work some game in social circles and your approaching will improve mate.
 

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sprint said:
:crackup:

man, you don't even see how creepy you are to girls. You're doing something fundamentally wrong if they start to act like this. Therefore, you're not going to get any type of close ever. You need to start actually going on dates and not just approaching. I mean clearly it isn't working...

You said, "So I was walking and I approached these girls. I came in strong but immediately when I put my hand out for the handshake the girls where acting kind of freaked out. Then when I tried to ask their names they were like "Um... I don't know you" or some sh*t and I even remember one of them saying "Look, have you ever heard of personal space" or some sh*t. Ofcourse I don't logically react to their attempts to blow me out, as I just see that all as sh*t test they use to weed out the average guy."

dude, that was NOT a **** test. They did not like you nor want to talk to you. And when she followed up with a question about the band she was just being polite. That entire interaction sounds like the most awkward funny thing ever. I wish I was there. :crackup:
Hey, politeness is a start dude, because atleast then you can actually start a conversation with them and gradually get them more comfortable with you. Basically it's like, the fact that they were willing to talk to me was a good start. But yeah, even if you're freaking Mystery not every set is going to start off great. Point is, is that even if a set starts bad, it can be turned around. You failed to mention the fact that the girl that said the personal space thing was the one who started being polite.
 

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Mate, you've learnt how to open, you've learnt not to give a ****, it's commendable, but everyone wants to see more.

Now can we move on to more fundamental things like; building comfort, escalation and closing the deal, once you've tried doing this with girls you've already opened then post back with the results.

Good luck :up:
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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ElStud said:
Hey, politeness is a start dude, because atleast then you can actually start a conversation with them and gradually get them more comfortable with you. Basically it's like, the fact that they were willing to talk to me was a good start. But yeah, even if you're freaking Mystery not every set is going to start off great. Point is, is that even if a set starts bad, it can be turned around.
but they weren't willing to talk to you. I mean granted politeness is a start but that approach was just bad. and you didn't really describe how it turned around. All you said was that they asked a question then you ejected.

I think you need to narrow your selection of approaches to those girls who give you a good opportunity. Don't just do any random girl you see. But that's just my advice.
 
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