"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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FR: chick vanished 3/4 of the way thru date

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Alright gents, need your opinion, how rude was I?

Here's how it went down. Been seein this chick for a few weeks now, she's got super high IL. She's totally into me and I've been doin everything to keep her interested.

So on Sunday we go to an NHL preseason game, a rare treat as we live in a non NHL city. First period we get to our seats and there is a bunch of empty seats beside us so I take the aisle seat.

Second period we are late coming back from getting Beer/popcorn, I notice a couple sitting beside where we were sitting. So I take the seat closest to them so I can interact with some fellow fans.

I'm hollaring the whole game, bein loud obnoxius, fittin in with the crowd. Well this girl beside me is totally into hockey, were chattin like crazy. Just before the 2nd period is over, she convinces her guy friend to go get a beer w/ 45 secs left in the period to avoid a lineup.

Well 10 mins left in the 3rd period, I noticed buddy was out of beer, I was done mine as well, I asked him if he wanted to go get a beer, he said no, so the chick offers, I'll go with you. So we get up and go get a beer, I totally assumed my date heard everything, when I got back I found out she was gone. I got ditched, I was like wtf. She wouldn't answer my calls, or txt me back. So after the game, I realize I have her van keys, so I call again and she answers, says she's in the van.

She was cryin, upset, thought that I took off with this other girl. I ended up smoothing it out but I realized afterwards I came across as a pretty big d1ck.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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And there's still guys out there that feel that women have so much control and power; if they could only understand what lies beneath the facade.
 

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She cried over THAT?!


Be wary. She will eventually try to control your every action. She is definitely the jealous stalker type.
 

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i dont know about you guys, but in a very strange way i get a HUGE laugh when wierd things happen in life.

before they would confuse me or p*ss me off, but now its all i can do to contain my laughter.

I tend to look at those kinds of scenarios as life playing a practical joke - and id rather laugh at it than worry over why it happened.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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Yeah .... that was pretty rude ...

it does not sound like you have much respect for or a high interest level in your date ...
 
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Out of courtesy you should have told her you were going for a beer and asked if she wanted anything. You took her out of the equation and seem to be interested in strangers more than her!
 

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Last Man Standing said:
Out of courtesy you should have told her you were going for a beer and asked if she wanted anything. You took her out of the equation and seem to be interested in strangers more than her!
There you go again LMS - making rational and sensible posts AND twice in one week ..I am impressed !
 
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jophil28 said:
There you go again LMS - making rational and sensible posts AND twice in one week ..I am impressed !
Damn, I have to stop doing this!! I'm going to start drinking again! :rolleyes:
 

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wtf is with this 'You were rude' Dr Phil Bullsh!t? Let's all have a group cry for her poor hurt feelings, boo-hoo...

His behavior raised her IL, not lowered it. The little roller-coaster drama she had will only make her more infatuated.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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His behavior raised her IL, not lowered it
if that is true ...... the chick has no self respect ....

The little roller-coaster drama she had will only make her more infatuated.
wow, and I thought this was the " mature man " forum
 

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Bible_Belt said:
wtf is with this 'You were rude' Dr Phil Bullsh!t? Let's all have a group cry for her poor hurt feelings, boo-hoo...

His behavior raised her IL, not lowered it. The little roller-coaster drama she had will only make her more infatuated.
Ok - His behavior WAS RUDE and clumsy and something a stupid high school jock would PULL.. HOwever it is TRUE that she now has HIGHER IL because of the emotions that this event stirred up in her. He acted like a jerk - women are drawn/attracted to jerks .
Socially her did the wrong thing but strategically he did a good thing.

NO body ever said that women made any sense at all .. Ha ha !
 

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LMS - I suprised and impressed as to your response on this. I actually did the same thing to a girl that I WAS dating.
It does PISS them off big time.

Will not do again.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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i am sure you did not intend for her to get jealous or hurt just because you wanted to grab another beer, but it did. it made her feel not important and invisible. which is a silly thing because it was really about getting a beer.
however, she was not paying attention and had no clue what you were doing so what did she do? react.

how did she react? retreating to cry alone in the van...

seems like she is such a sweet girl to just go sit in the van all dry mouthed and stuff... i know women that would have left with someone else over something that silly. i know other women who would have been so jealous that they would have followed you up there and snatched your beers away only to throw them in the stranger chicks face and proceeded to kick her butt. jealousy does things to people.

why did she retreat to the van? because she wanted you to worry about her and come look for her. she tested you. when the test failed, she cried while she waited to know her worth. was she even worth the return of her van keys? for a little while, she had no clue.

lms was right in what he said about courtesy.

however, it was all really silly and was a complete misunderstanding.
 

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Well, for me, it is all about RESPECT. I expect it from any woman I am with, and getting into long conversations with someone else while we're out (ESPECIALLY another guy) is verboten.

The thing is, I give it in return. Not only is it the right thing to do, it is also a smart way to handle things. Otherwise, you get yourself into jams that can be difficult to get out of, such as this one. She left, and it bothers you enough to come on here and ask if it was you.

I'm not being hard on you, because we ALL make mistakes. But she left because you gave her no respect, by talking so much with the other girl. You'd leave too if she were dissing you likewise, wouldn't you?
 

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Some good points by all. I agree I made an error in judgement and should have notified her but as others have pointed out, strategically it raised her IL.

Penkitten, you actually bring some good perspective as the women. I've been with other psycho chicks who are the type to chase me then throw the beers away out of spite, I'm glad this one isn't like that.

The sad part is I almost didn't want to go return the keys because I kinda wanted to number close the girl but didn't but she did tell me that she was goin to a bar next door, I was mighty tempted to go next door. But she answered her phone at the right time and I went to make things right.

#17 your also right about the respect thing, it was disrespectful and I likely wouldn't put up with it from 98% of women.
 

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MacAvoy said:
#17 your also right about the respect thing, it was disrespectful and I likely wouldn't put up with it from 98% of women.
Who are the 2% who could diss you like this and get away with it ?
 

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MacAvoy said:
Penkitten, ........ I'm glad this one isn't like that.
me too, she sounds like a normal chick and not a drama queen which is rare these days

MacAvoy said:
The sad part is I almost didn't want to go return the keys because I kinda wanted to number close the girl but didn't but she did tell me that she was goin to a bar next door, I was mighty tempted to go next door.
have you any thoughts on why you felt that way?
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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