Yeah, well, typical stuff happened at the mall today, walked around the stores a lot, saw a couple babes, didn't really get a lot of approaches in. Yeah, so I'm walking and I see this one babe. I talk to her and it went sort of like this:
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
FR: Approached one girl at the mall today.
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"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.
Not going to lie, I kind of like that sincerity line, and I bet girls will like it in a "omg that was so corny but cute" kind of way, I might use that and see what happens.
I would ditch that opener you used and use the sincerity one as your opener and maybe you will have better results.
I would ditch that opener you used and use the sincerity one as your opener and maybe you will have better results.
TheVirtualMind
Master Don Juan
You need different approaches. Why always the mall and why always talking to girls in situations you KNOW won't end well?
DON'T approach when a store is closing, DON'T keep the survey bit, DON'T stay at the mall....
Are you even really trying?
DON'T approach when a store is closing, DON'T keep the survey bit, DON'T stay at the mall....
Are you even really trying?
"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"
Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."
You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.
She's been waiting forty minutes.
Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.
sandman6991
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I think he was being sarcastic...
sandman6991
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I definately agree with this...TheVirtualMind said:
HOWEVER
It is sometimes hard to find places to approach when you are in high school.
I'm not making excuses for him, or for anyone else...but it would be helpful if we would all work toward compiling a "master-list" of locations to game in High School..as these differ greatly from when you are older.
In my town..there's only so much you CAN do...the mall, the movies...sometimes the pool....but most of the time...the HOT girls aren't there...where are they? In hiding?
One of the mysteries of life.....
TheVirtualMind
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Then approach at school.sandman6991 said:I definately agree with this...
HOWEVER
It is sometimes hard to find places to approach when you are in high school.
I'm not making excuses for him, or for anyone else...but it would be helpful if we would all work toward compiling a "master-list" of locations to game in High School..as these differ greatly from when you are older.
In my town..there's only so much you CAN do...the mall, the movies...sometimes the pool....but most of the time...the HOT girls aren't there...where are they? In hiding?
One of the mysteries of life.....
The mall isn't the only option, nor should it be. Girls go to the mall everyday...Imagine if they see you at the mall everyday just hitting on them.
Yes, that is not a good thing.
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
No sh!t.TheVirtualMind said:
A lot of the students in our town go into the city after school, since a lot catch buses from the city central to get home.
I got like almost everyday and have had a few occasions when I have approached the same chick twice, or my wing has approached the same girls I had without even realizing.
But on the other hand, this has played awesome social proof for me. I go around town with a ukulele and a big cheesy smile and everyone loves me, I walk around in town with a chick and they see I know half the population.
Check the "What's On" in your magazines and papers to find new and interesting events and venues to try approaching. This is also a good way to find a lot of the girls that you are more likely to be interested in. If she is at a sky diving introductory course, you know she isn't going to be shy.
sandman6991
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I agree...if you frequent one place all the time...you're gonna get a bad reputation there...especially if all you are doing is walking around hitting on girls constantly...TheVirtualMind said:
At school though...I tend to be more conservative with my approaches...I NEVER "approach" in the way that I do in the field...
You see...a failure in the field...is no big deal.
If you do the same thing in school...people are going to think you're a moron if you keep approaching and striking out...word gets around...you guys know how it is.
I tend to take it slower with the girls in my school...have them see my social proof...have fun with them in class...and they become attracted to me that way...once I get them in class...we talk, and I game them from there.
What I'm saying through my ramblings is that it's not my style to go around the hallways running opinion openers
I did approach when I was in school, but it's summer now, so the mall is the only place I have to approach. And generally it's not really good to 'care' what your reputation is there, because is what people think really my reality? No, my reality is I'm there to pick up women, I could care less what they think. With school reputation is important because you'll see those people every day, but at the mall, you'll most likely only see the employees there again, not the girls. My view is until a cop comes up to me and says "Sir, we have a problem with you being here" then I won't really care what they think.sandman6991 said:I agree...if you frequent one place all the time...you're gonna get a bad reputation there...especially if all you are doing is walking around hitting on girls constantly...
At school though...I tend to be more conservative with my approaches...I NEVER "approach" in the way that I do in the field...
You see...a failure in the field...is no big deal.
If you do the same thing in school...people are going to think you're a moron if you keep approaching and striking out...word gets around...you guys know how it is.
I tend to take it slower with the girls in my school...have them see my social proof...have fun with them in class...and they become attracted to me that way...once I get them in class...we talk, and I game them from there.
What I'm saying through my ramblings is that it's not my style to go around the hallways running opinion openers
el stud- FINALLY something i agree with!!!! GIVE ME FIVE! You seem to have a stonger mind frame than most of the guys here. Now all you need to do is open your ears wide and LISTEN! best post from you ever!
btw, what's with all the insecurity? i sarge at the mall at least 3 times a week. I see nothing wrong with it. If it's a crime to sarge at the mall frequently than i guess I must be on the "most wanted" list.
btw, what's with all the insecurity? i sarge at the mall at least 3 times a week. I see nothing wrong with it. If it's a crime to sarge at the mall frequently than i guess I must be on the "most wanted" list.
sandman6991
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I love that mindset...I'm working on it right now...it's one of the major hinderences in the field for me caring too much what others thinkElStud said:
“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”
Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.
Snow Plowman
Master Don Juan
Some of you guys have a bad mindset for sure...
Even though I wouldn't go in with the mindset of "I'm picking up chicks" because that can even hurt you. Rather I'd go in with the mindset "I'm having fun socializing with people"
But with that said what is wrong with the mall? So longs the venue as an area where there is many women then it's a good place to sarge. Who CARES if the same people see you, or if anyone talks about you. That is a pure ego thing "I don't want a bad rep". Really think about it, who gives a fuk besides you?
Last week I went to the same street, sat in the same seat, and seen the exact same vendors. If it makes you feel any better I bought peanuts from the same guy 4 days in a row. Do you think I care what these guys think of me? They don't even know me.
About the school and approaching. Why would you take it slow and why would you change up you're whole game plan? Back when I was in school I'd open the same exact girls again whether the first approach went good or bad. One girl I remember I approached...
...FIVE TIMES...
...before she finally was cool with me and I was actually talking to her and her friends for a good 10mins.
The thing about it, is to be a fuking MAN. Don't do half assed approaches because the situation may be different or because something isn't part of your reality. Go in fuking hard and have fun. There is no reason to be afraid of a girl or worrying about what anyone thinks. You're a MAN, she is a girl, what's the worst that can happen she yells at you in her 12 year old voice? and then you go home and cry? It's the same reason why I can't see why guys won't just KINO and caveman a chick. It's as if they'll die if she pulls back. But really its just your ego.
Let go of you're EGO!
Even though I wouldn't go in with the mindset of "I'm picking up chicks" because that can even hurt you. Rather I'd go in with the mindset "I'm having fun socializing with people"
But with that said what is wrong with the mall? So longs the venue as an area where there is many women then it's a good place to sarge. Who CARES if the same people see you, or if anyone talks about you. That is a pure ego thing "I don't want a bad rep". Really think about it, who gives a fuk besides you?
Last week I went to the same street, sat in the same seat, and seen the exact same vendors. If it makes you feel any better I bought peanuts from the same guy 4 days in a row. Do you think I care what these guys think of me? They don't even know me.
About the school and approaching. Why would you take it slow and why would you change up you're whole game plan? Back when I was in school I'd open the same exact girls again whether the first approach went good or bad. One girl I remember I approached...
...FIVE TIMES...
...before she finally was cool with me and I was actually talking to her and her friends for a good 10mins.
The thing about it, is to be a fuking MAN. Don't do half assed approaches because the situation may be different or because something isn't part of your reality. Go in fuking hard and have fun. There is no reason to be afraid of a girl or worrying about what anyone thinks. You're a MAN, she is a girl, what's the worst that can happen she yells at you in her 12 year old voice? and then you go home and cry? It's the same reason why I can't see why guys won't just KINO and caveman a chick. It's as if they'll die if she pulls back. But really its just your ego.
Let go of you're EGO!
TheVirtualMind
Master Don Juan
Snow Plow, you talk about "who cares about your rep?"
Do you want to be known as the guy that goes to the exact same place all the time and who always hits on girls and fails? While YOU might not care about your rep or ego, it DOES play a factor in getting with people, whether females or gaining friends with guys.
Do you socialize with the pasty white, pimpled, bowl-haircut having geek that sits in the corner? Or do you mainly socialize with the football jock who was All-State?
Why? Their reputation. Your reputation DOES affect things. Trying to think otherwise is just a way to try and comfort yourself for your failures, just like when you get rejected and say ''well, she was a b*tch anyway."
The reason most people on here don't kino a chick is because they are still afraid. That is not their ego talking, that is their gut feeling. That will change. They just have to keep working at it.
While you shouldn't alter your approaches at school, you really can't do the same thing you do in a mall. "Hey, since you are in a music store, I'm doing a survey about music." Doesn't work. You CAN do other approaches though. Girls from your own classes are the easiest.
Snow Plowman, if you have seen the evolution of ElStud/Viper/all his other names, you will see that he does the exact same thing over and over again, gets rejected, wonders why, and refuses to accept any bit of information someone gives him because he makes excuses.
As for the street/vendor/and peanut thing, you are actually there to buy something...Meanwhile, ElStud is there to get rejected because he uses the exact same lines over and over again, or approaches when he will have a higher rate of failure (talking on phone, store about to close, ect)
There are a TON of different things wrong. Ego isn't one of them.
Do you want to be known as the guy that goes to the exact same place all the time and who always hits on girls and fails? While YOU might not care about your rep or ego, it DOES play a factor in getting with people, whether females or gaining friends with guys.
Do you socialize with the pasty white, pimpled, bowl-haircut having geek that sits in the corner? Or do you mainly socialize with the football jock who was All-State?
Why? Their reputation. Your reputation DOES affect things. Trying to think otherwise is just a way to try and comfort yourself for your failures, just like when you get rejected and say ''well, she was a b*tch anyway."
The reason most people on here don't kino a chick is because they are still afraid. That is not their ego talking, that is their gut feeling. That will change. They just have to keep working at it.
While you shouldn't alter your approaches at school, you really can't do the same thing you do in a mall. "Hey, since you are in a music store, I'm doing a survey about music." Doesn't work. You CAN do other approaches though. Girls from your own classes are the easiest.
Snow Plowman, if you have seen the evolution of ElStud/Viper/all his other names, you will see that he does the exact same thing over and over again, gets rejected, wonders why, and refuses to accept any bit of information someone gives him because he makes excuses.
As for the street/vendor/and peanut thing, you are actually there to buy something...Meanwhile, ElStud is there to get rejected because he uses the exact same lines over and over again, or approaches when he will have a higher rate of failure (talking on phone, store about to close, ect)
There are a TON of different things wrong. Ego isn't one of them.
WesCottII
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It was better IMO, I just don't think you're ready.
Hit the stores first, where women CAN'T walk from you.
Hit the stores first, where women CAN'T walk from you.
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you can get away with alot of KINO usage in high school, but be respectful!
“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”
You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.
I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.
Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.
These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.