"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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FR: Approached another girl at the mall yesterday.

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Yeah, I've gotten far with girls before but I only get a successful approach every now and then. I'm basically practice getting successful approaches in more consistantly and I'll do that by becoming more and more unreactive to what the chick is doing/saying. I'm going to aim to more consistantly get successful approaches.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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superchill89 said:
alamar... why are you giving advice. weren't you the guy that posted about having no friends or something
haha you sound like you know me from somewhere else.
I can give good advice, just not really apply it to myself... which is stupid.
 

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Elstud, might I suggest an approach journal?

It would probably be better than the one approach one thread like your doing.
 

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GoSens said:
Speed seduction is something way way different. Way different. And the reason why he's getting the results he's getting is because he's creeping the girls out initially. What he needs to do is read that little list Bling put up, and make sure he's not doing any of those things during an interaction.

El stud, mr confidence, viper, what have you, I think it's great that you're atleast out there trying. All you need to do now is make sure ur not doing anything that's listed on the list Bling put up, because it's obvious you're creeping the girls out right away. You don't need to worry about unreactiveness, you don't need to worry about your "magnetism" theory either. One step at a time, buddy. You need to work on your opening.
See, I wouldn't know. I don't believe in the manuevers, theories, strategies, tricks, and gimmicks, and thats the point I was trying to make. It's really not some science. How do people who've never come across these websites pull their share of the babes. It's because they evolved into men, are naturals, or are just being themselves, i.e. genuine confidence.

Pook said it well, excerpt from 'Be a Man' post [["His goal now is to sleep with as many women as possible and figure out all the tricks and tactics to do so. He focuses on calculation rather then natural joy. When a woman comes, he pulls out a chart of all the 'moves' and 'tactics' with arrows and patterns. He unleashes his lap top, accesses a Lay Guide, and reviews his strategy. Time passes and once was fun becomes meaningless.]]
 

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Touchout said:
Elstud, might I suggest an approach journal?

It would probably be better than the one approach one thread like your doing.
Nah, trust me I tried that two times before. You make a journal and no one f*cking replies. Eventually the only post in the thread are you posting about your approaches.
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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you've improved alot from your linked approach journal... I think you'd only have good success if you were having very interesting convos with your approaches though :p
 

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Grand Wizzard Alamar said:
you've improved alot from your linked approach journal... I think you'd only have good success if you were having very interesting convos with your approaches though :p
Convos for rapport. She most likely wouldn't be interested if you started convo before she was attracted. Yeah, I use to approach girls trying for rapport and I actually thought I was doing something. Yeah, I was doing something wrong, opening trying for rapport.
 

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your convos were mostly preplanned... like you asked everyone the same thing.
you should use your surroundings and practice different things, even if they are lame, the point is to be out there doing something.
 

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it sounds like you being ugly + dumb pick up lines is scaring them away.
 

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eminence said:
it sounds like you being ugly + dumb pick up lines is scaring them away.
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"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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I think he's just talking a little too much on his approaching.
 

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Haha, it's just that he came off as ****y saying "you being ugly". And dumb pick up lines? No, it's called a direct approach. If the girl says "I think it's good thing" you say "Great! I think your really hot!" if she says its a bad thing you say "Then I'm about to say something really bad. I think your really hot!". Besides, most walking targets are going to walk away, but are you gonna give up just because of something THEY do?
 

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I am totally lost now.. what are we talking about?
 

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Eh, it doesn't matter. Well, I'm going to go to the mall today and tommorow, hopefully I get better results.
 

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you should make up your own creative pick up lines instead of using other peoples.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Grand Wizzard Alamar said:
you should make up your own creative pick up lines instead of using other peoples.
Speak for yourself. Besides, they're not lines, they're something to get started off of. Once your started, you just talk.
 

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you are definitely using prethought lines... if you're creative and funny, you'll catch the girl's interest right away with her thinking "this guy is creative and funny" and if you progress well, she'll actually want to talk to you instead of having you rant about random unrelated things.

talk about common things that she can connect to you with, like if you're in the mall lol just ask her what her favorite store is.. it's so simple, you're asking about HER, and it's better than a music survey :p
 
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