"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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FR: Approached a girl afterschool.

Grand Wizzard Alamar

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You're actually ruining your life by becomming accoustomed with doing things the wrong way.
Why not step up your game, get more involved.. show us you're right about your methods... even though they're fvckin stupid!
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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ElStud said:
Again I repeat, you guys sound like AFC's. You're totally reactive to what the girl does. If the girl shows ONE bad sign you go "OMG she no like me I must get out of this set". That's AFC logic. There's no way you guys can be getting any, because with your logic you'd never pass sh1t test. Girl says "I have a boyfriend" and you leave the set and fail the sh1t test, just like she expects. Now to a higher value guy, boyfriend doesn't f*cking matter.


lol you guys are such AFC's. A GIRL IS NOT GOING TO F*CKING SLAP YOU. The worst a girl would ever do is yell at you and say "GET THE FVCK AWAY!" even then that could be interpreted as a sh1t test. But lol yes, you guys definitely sound like AFC's. If you're kinoing a girl and she says "Stop!", but acts like she's liking it, you'll probably leave the set because you're scared. There's just no way guys who think like you can get laid.
Omg....shut up... NOW.
Just shut up.
You have no idea what your taking about.
 

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Alkali said:
...Wow. El Stud, you have to reboot your pickup system.

Word.

Elstud, I suggest you take your mind off picking up and approaching for a while and just live for a month or two, go kick it with your friends, make some if you don't have any, and just take it easy for a month or two, get off these forums and see that theres more to life than making FRs about every interaction you have. you're getting absorbed by this stuff.
 

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The bottom line is this. We tried to give him advice, but he does not listen. We are all AFC's because we know when women are creeped out by strange guys playing with her hair. Bottom line, we need to stop feeding the troll. I suggest we don't respond to his imaginary FR's anymore.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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You guys need to stop giving him so much advice, he's clearly a troll. No one can ACTUALLY be that bad AND not listen.
 

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dav22 said:
You guys need to stop giving him so much advice, he's clearly a troll. No one can ACTUALLY be that bad AND not listen.
Yeah I'm having a hard time figuring out whether or not he's a troll. I've met a lot of people who weren't trolls and had his same mindset on the internet. Some people can really be this clueless about women, but it's so blatant he's baiting, I dunno honestly.
 

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No offense this FR sucked man.

Seriously you have learned nothing from this site. Forget abotu women. Maybe you'll have better luck with dudes.
 

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And yeah to save you the time to reply I must be an AFC since I dont invade peoples personal space.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Jees, I guess I touched a nerve on the little girl.

First off, I'm not an "a*shole (note, learn some new insults) to everyone on the forum, that pleasure is saved for you, because you don't learn, you've never posted a worthwhile approach, and yes, you ARE creepy.

You justify your failures with "well, I don't want numbers" - newsflash, this is what this crap is about, you don't want dates? Go talk to old women, they're much more friendly.

For monthes upon monthes you have been an assh*le to this forum and it's members. You act superior to everyone else and yell at anyone who doesn't think exactly like you. To add to that, you like to think you know everything based on NOTHING.

Are you talking about me......or you here? I think everyone'd agree with me that that description fits you like a glove, especially the "nothing" part.

You want some "good, solid advice"? Give up or listen, because the way you're going, you're heading for the monastry.


P.s I'd rather be an "AFC", as you call me, and get women, than be a "DJ", like your goodself, and be without.
 

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WesCottII said:
P.s I'd rather be an "AFC", as you call me, and get women, than be a "DJ", like your goodself, and be without.
Excellent way to put it :rockon:
 

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dude i find this incredible
world's biggest troll?
or world's biggest turd?
cast votes.
 

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Now now he just wants attention, we don't want to hurt his feelings that badly, or else he'll feel even worse about his real life problems. Why else do people troll? Not saying we should accept him and his demented views, but bashing him over the head really isn't the answer either :)
 

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Haha, yeah I'm the troll when I'm probably one of the few people on this forum who goes out and does sh1t. I also have tons of FR's, which is more than I can say about a lot of you guys. Also, I'm the troll when you guys are the ones still flaming me for a good page after I left? Come on.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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ElStud said:
Haha, yeah I'm the troll when I'm probably one of the few people on this forum who goes out and does sh1t.
And fail all the time :crackup:
 

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ElStud said:
Haha, yeah I'm the troll when I'm probably one of the few people on this forum who goes out and does sh1t. I also have tons of FR's,

Again, no. This is where your warped mindset comes into play again.

You have a ton of threads, but they arn't FR's, they're interactions. I could post time after time about how I chatted to a girl at the counter of Topman. How I chatted to my female hairdresser and made her laugh, how I said "hi" to the lollipop lady and asked her how her kid is, doesn't make it a FR.

Your idea of "doing sh!t", is everyone else's idea of day to day interactions.
 

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ElStud said:
Haha, yeah I'm the troll when I'm probably one of the few people on this forum who goes out and does sh1t. I also have tons of FR's, which is more than I can say about a lot of you guys. Also, I'm the troll when you guys are the ones still flaming me for a good page after I left? Come on.
You're judging yourself by material, not by success.
 

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krazyboy99 said:
GWA, i notice you give a ton of advice on damn near every thread i read. you're only 15 years old. i'd just like to publicly call you out and ask you what your qualifications are: how popular are you in school, how many chicks have you laid, etc what is it that makes you so damn wise and able to give advice to not only elstud but also 30 and 40 year old men who might take you seriously?
Do you even need to ask? :rolleyes: :crackup:
 

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War Against Betaism said:
And fail all the time :crackup:
Words out of my mouth :D

Elstud everyone here is right, you suck dude, read the bible like 40 more times then come back with those sorry excuses for a field report
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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