"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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Grand Wizzard Alamar

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You're actually ruining your life by becomming accoustomed with doing things the wrong way.
Why not step up your game, get more involved.. show us you're right about your methods... even though they're fvckin stupid!
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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ElStud said:
Again I repeat, you guys sound like AFC's. You're totally reactive to what the girl does. If the girl shows ONE bad sign you go "OMG she no like me I must get out of this set". That's AFC logic. There's no way you guys can be getting any, because with your logic you'd never pass sh1t test. Girl says "I have a boyfriend" and you leave the set and fail the sh1t test, just like she expects. Now to a higher value guy, boyfriend doesn't f*cking matter.


lol you guys are such AFC's. A GIRL IS NOT GOING TO F*CKING SLAP YOU. The worst a girl would ever do is yell at you and say "GET THE FVCK AWAY!" even then that could be interpreted as a sh1t test. But lol yes, you guys definitely sound like AFC's. If you're kinoing a girl and she says "Stop!", but acts like she's liking it, you'll probably leave the set because you're scared. There's just no way guys who think like you can get laid.
Omg....shut up... NOW.
Just shut up.
You have no idea what your taking about.
 

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Alkali said:
...Wow. El Stud, you have to reboot your pickup system.

Word.

Elstud, I suggest you take your mind off picking up and approaching for a while and just live for a month or two, go kick it with your friends, make some if you don't have any, and just take it easy for a month or two, get off these forums and see that theres more to life than making FRs about every interaction you have. you're getting absorbed by this stuff.
 

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The bottom line is this. We tried to give him advice, but he does not listen. We are all AFC's because we know when women are creeped out by strange guys playing with her hair. Bottom line, we need to stop feeding the troll. I suggest we don't respond to his imaginary FR's anymore.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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You guys need to stop giving him so much advice, he's clearly a troll. No one can ACTUALLY be that bad AND not listen.
 

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dav22 said:
You guys need to stop giving him so much advice, he's clearly a troll. No one can ACTUALLY be that bad AND not listen.
Yeah I'm having a hard time figuring out whether or not he's a troll. I've met a lot of people who weren't trolls and had his same mindset on the internet. Some people can really be this clueless about women, but it's so blatant he's baiting, I dunno honestly.
 

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No offense this FR sucked man.

Seriously you have learned nothing from this site. Forget abotu women. Maybe you'll have better luck with dudes.
 

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And yeah to save you the time to reply I must be an AFC since I dont invade peoples personal space.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Jees, I guess I touched a nerve on the little girl.

First off, I'm not an "a*shole (note, learn some new insults) to everyone on the forum, that pleasure is saved for you, because you don't learn, you've never posted a worthwhile approach, and yes, you ARE creepy.

You justify your failures with "well, I don't want numbers" - newsflash, this is what this crap is about, you don't want dates? Go talk to old women, they're much more friendly.

For monthes upon monthes you have been an assh*le to this forum and it's members. You act superior to everyone else and yell at anyone who doesn't think exactly like you. To add to that, you like to think you know everything based on NOTHING.

Are you talking about me......or you here? I think everyone'd agree with me that that description fits you like a glove, especially the "nothing" part.

You want some "good, solid advice"? Give up or listen, because the way you're going, you're heading for the monastry.


P.s I'd rather be an "AFC", as you call me, and get women, than be a "DJ", like your goodself, and be without.
 

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WesCottII said:
P.s I'd rather be an "AFC", as you call me, and get women, than be a "DJ", like your goodself, and be without.
Excellent way to put it :rockon:
 

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dude i find this incredible
world's biggest troll?
or world's biggest turd?
cast votes.
 

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Now now he just wants attention, we don't want to hurt his feelings that badly, or else he'll feel even worse about his real life problems. Why else do people troll? Not saying we should accept him and his demented views, but bashing him over the head really isn't the answer either :)
 

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Haha, yeah I'm the troll when I'm probably one of the few people on this forum who goes out and does sh1t. I also have tons of FR's, which is more than I can say about a lot of you guys. Also, I'm the troll when you guys are the ones still flaming me for a good page after I left? Come on.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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ElStud said:
Haha, yeah I'm the troll when I'm probably one of the few people on this forum who goes out and does sh1t.
And fail all the time :crackup:
 

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ElStud said:
Haha, yeah I'm the troll when I'm probably one of the few people on this forum who goes out and does sh1t. I also have tons of FR's,

Again, no. This is where your warped mindset comes into play again.

You have a ton of threads, but they arn't FR's, they're interactions. I could post time after time about how I chatted to a girl at the counter of Topman. How I chatted to my female hairdresser and made her laugh, how I said "hi" to the lollipop lady and asked her how her kid is, doesn't make it a FR.

Your idea of "doing sh!t", is everyone else's idea of day to day interactions.
 

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ElStud said:
Haha, yeah I'm the troll when I'm probably one of the few people on this forum who goes out and does sh1t. I also have tons of FR's, which is more than I can say about a lot of you guys. Also, I'm the troll when you guys are the ones still flaming me for a good page after I left? Come on.
You're judging yourself by material, not by success.
 

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krazyboy99 said:
GWA, i notice you give a ton of advice on damn near every thread i read. you're only 15 years old. i'd just like to publicly call you out and ask you what your qualifications are: how popular are you in school, how many chicks have you laid, etc what is it that makes you so damn wise and able to give advice to not only elstud but also 30 and 40 year old men who might take you seriously?
Do you even need to ask? :rolleyes: :crackup:
 

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War Against Betaism said:
And fail all the time :crackup:
Words out of my mouth :D

Elstud everyone here is right, you suck dude, read the bible like 40 more times then come back with those sorry excuses for a field report
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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