"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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FR and request for advice

d0g

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Hey everyone,

I've been relatively proactive in speaking to girls and getting numbers over the past month or two. Sadly most of it has come to naught: a couple of few phone numbers, but no responses.

However, this evening, I hit pay dirt.

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Field Report
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The scene: a college grad school wine tasting

A saw a rather delightful girl make an appearance at the start, but didn't go to speak to her, since I'm still a ***** and assumed she'd be mobbed by guys when she arrived.

When, an hour in, she still didn't have any guys making progress with her, and I saw an opening, I went up to have a little chit chat with her. I played it cool, established some familiarity by chatting about some stuff that I knew about that she was interested in (where she went to college, Europe -- where she wants to move to, etc.).

I then performed a disappearing act, got some more wine, went to chat to some other girls and guy friends of mine. I went back to her, chatted a bit more, disappeared again, rinse and repeat.

The combination of going in-and-out plus establishing some rapport seemed to work. By the end of the evening she was hanging on to me, asking if we'll see each again, "because not doing so would be such a shame, after we had such a good time tonight". I got her number and gave her mine. She invited three dudes (me included) back to her place, but I declined. I isolated her from the crowd, and invited her over to my place, but she told me "I'm not that easy". I told her I didn't say anything about easy, and left.

Also: I should add that Southern girls are a ****load easier to do kino on than than the usual northern California girls I'm used to. Southern girls really make it easy for you.

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So, first of all, given what I've told you, do you have any suggestions for improvements on how I did things?

Most importantly: what's my optimal game plan from here?

It's now early Saturday morning. Should I call her on Saturday (today) afternoon? Call her on Sunday? Text her?

Thanks a lot guys.

Cheers,
d0g
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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ARrocket

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Well, she clearly sees you in a sexual light, so you're off to a good start :up:

I would wait a couple days with this one - hit her up maybe Tuesday or so, see if she's down to grab a drink.

As for the actual interaction, I think you handled it pretty well - definitely good that you didn't hover around her, and she saw you being social with others. Probably a good thing you didn't go home with her AND the other folks as well. Hopefully she was wondering what plans you had.

"I'm not that easy." I think you handled it pretty well. I might given her a funny smirk and said "whoa, what's on your mind!" and left it at that.

But, you had a good interaction and got the number, so don't over-think this too much!
 

Harry Wilmington

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What ARrocket said. Think about this: yesterday was Friday. By Tuesday, are you going to completely forget about who this girl is, where you met her, or your interaction?

Guess what? If she really did take a liking to you, she won't either. It's always a better plan to be patient than it is to rush right in. In fact, rushing in is the reason the OTHER guys at the party failed with her. So, give her the weekend to think about you and wonder if you're going to call (and to possibly talk with her girlfriends about you), then hit her up Tuesday.

And when you hit her up, make it a PHONE CALL. Texting is weak and kills relationships.
 

d0g

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Thanks, guys. Tuesday it is.

ARrocket: your "what's on your mind" suggestion sounds like a gem. I'm going to have to remember that one!
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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