"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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FR: 1st Date. Thoughts, please?

killahpl

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Right, long story short, I'd been gaming this 19 year old HB9 (smokin' hot!) ever since New Year's Eye, where she initiated a drunken make out session with me.

I'd texted her several times after that and attempted to ask her out pretty quickly, but things got in the way: her exam session, my car accident, her ilness, etc.

Anyway, I decided to persist all the way to the point of "She'll either go out with me or she'll be have to say "No, I won't go out with you." or something to the effect thereof.

Well, we'd agreed to meet for drinks tonight, and she turned up looking smoking hot! We drank a bit and I did kino throughout the evening, which se was receptive to (no, she didn't wet her panties or anything, but still - receptive. And obviously comfortable.). She was also laughing throughout most of the evening, joked back, etc., so I'd be willing to wage a hefty sum that she was having a good time.

Now the thing you have to know about me is, a MAJOR sticking point for me has always been going in for the kiss. I have other sticking points - sexual innuendo, heavy flirting, etc. - but to my credit those other sticking points I have been able to combat with this girl.

So, I went into this date tonight thinking that I will go in for the kiss, no matter how clumsily and awkwardly I would do it, because even doing it clumsily and awkwardly is better than not doing it at all, which I had been guilty of far too many times.

So yeah, throughout the date I was thinking about that kiss, and slowly I was getting that feeling in the pit of my stomach that I am once again going to fail to go in for the kiss and she's gonna LBJF me.

So I gutted it out and went in for the kiss as I was walking her home right after she gave me a look. Well I put my arm around her and leaned in, but she smiled and said "no, no, no." I tried again - same thing. I said, 'well, maybe next time?' and she said 'maybe next time.'

Now I want to stress again that I am extremely happy that I at least went in for the kiss, but I know how much I would be berating myself right now if I hadn't. That being said, something went wrong. Thoughts would be much appreciated. Is it worth asking her out again? SHould I next her? Did I do something wrong? I'll be happy to provide more details.
 

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I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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Tiguere

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You made the hoe say no. Nc her for a week or 2. Then try again ( if she doesn't initiate contact while u nc her NEXT HER.

Now grab your phone and call your next prospect.
 

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Thanks, the no contact thing seems like a very good idea, actually.

I don't really have a next prospect per se. :p

Any input from anybody else (please)?
 

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Well good job on going balls out and going for the kill. That's the most important thing. Now you'll have the confidence for next time.

But yeah, the thing is, if she was digging you, she'd have wanted you to kiss her. She called it off... So you kinda know where this is headed.

I'd wager that no contact seems actually a really good idea. You were ballsy, you had a decent time, then boom, you're gone. It should throw her off a bit.
 

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A lot of people on these forums think that NO CONTACT will work or do anything. Here is reality;

She has many of you. She doesn't care, nor will she remember you if you go NC for two weeks. You tried, didn't work, try again. Call her in a few days and ask her out. Don't be discouraged, don't spend too much on her. If she keeps refusing a kiss, just move on. Trust me, she will forget tonight and move on to the next guy and next free dinner. You have to be persistent. Just call her in a few days. Good job. Like Jay Z says "on to the next one".

NC does not work, it has never worked, not with women who have options. So how do you combat that? You have options yourself.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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(sorry wrong thread :eek:)

but anyway on topic: she made out with you and now won't be kissed? Is making out drunk and it not meaning anything at all so common? damn, remind me never to bother with american girls.
 
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Huffman said:
(sorry wrong thread :eek:)

but anyway on topic: she made out with you and now won't be kissed? Is making out drunk and it not meaning anything at all so common? damn, remind me never to bother with american girls.
You might wanna reconsider as she's not American - she's Polish like me (hence the "pl" in my nick). Otherwise your argument is valid.
 

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Unfortunately if you're THIS worried about what to do during your date instead of just saying f*ck it and having fun, you're never going to get any.

Rather than dissect every little bit of irrelevant info, let me put it this way. You don't feel worthy. It's obvious. As soon as I read the first few lines I knew this girl saw you as a friend. Forget about dating for awhile and work on YOU. If you work out, get your life straight, work hard, etc you will feel entitled to p*ssy. And you know what? You will be.

Click the link at the bottom of this page that says "The DJ Bible" and read the Book of Pook. Good luck man, and work hard.
 

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Falcon25 said:
A lot of people on these forums think that NO CONTACT will work or do anything. Here is reality;

She has many of you. She doesn't care, nor will she remember you if you go NC for two weeks. You tried, didn't work, try again. Call her in a few days and ask her out. Don't be discouraged, don't spend too much on her. If she keeps refusing a kiss, just move on. Trust me, she will forget tonight and move on to the next guy and next free dinner. You have to be persistent. Just call her in a few days. Good job. Like Jay Z says "on to the next one".

NC does not work, it has never worked, not with women who have options. So how do you combat that? You have options yourself.
This is solid advice, NO CONTACT to a girl that YOU ****ed up on expecting her to hit you up, like.. WTF? lol

Original Poster: i suggest never going into a date expecting anything. don't force a kiss or anything of that matter. if you feel you two had a good time and you built some comfort and rapport, thats BETTER then a kiss, cause you learning so much more on how to build connections, this isnt some baseball game where you have to score some point before the end of the night. So try to change your mindset around, cause you're only setting yourself up for failure in all honesty.
 

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Mr. Bond said:
Unfortunately if you're THIS worried about what to do during your date instead of just saying f*ck it and having fun, you're never going to get any.

Rather than dissect every little bit of irrelevant info, let me put it this way. You don't feel worthy. It's obvious. As soon as I read the first few lines I knew this girl saw you as a friend. Forget about dating for awhile and work on YOU. If you work out, get your life straight, work hard, etc you will feel entitled to p*ssy. And you know what? You will be.

Click the link at the bottom of this page that says "The DJ Bible" and read the Book of Pook. Good luck man, and work hard.
Yeah, I agree with you, man. I reall don't feel worthy. That being said, I HAVE started working out it's probably been one of the better decisions I've made in a long time; I do work hard and I have been reading the Bible and Pook's stuff. With regard to getting my life straight, that's hard because there's a lot of eff'ed up crap in it, hence my not feeling worthy.

the305 said:
This is solid advice, NO CONTACT to a girl that YOU ****ed up on expecting her to hit you up, like.. WTF? lol

Original Poster: i suggest never going into a date expecting anything. don't force a kiss or anything of that matter. if you feel you two had a good time and you built some comfort and rapport, thats BETTER then a kiss, cause you learning so much more on how to build connections, this isnt some baseball game where you have to score some point before the end of the night. So try to change your mindset around, cause you're only setting yourself up for failure in all honesty.
Thanks, this is solid advice for the future, but the thing is, as I mentioned in my original post, at the very least I got through a MAJOR sticking point which was going in for the kiss, meaning that it won't be as big a deal next time with another girl. If I hadn't done it, I would've been mentally berating myself...with a vengeance; then I would have thought, ok I'm try and set up another date with this girl and go in for the kiss then.

See, I don't really care about this girl too much...only insofar as her being really smoking hot - she lives in another town, won't be seeing her around, etc. So, rather than one particular girl - experience!
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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