Night-hawk
Master Don Juan
Great advice in this thread.
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
betablaster said:come to find out dude was an ex fling...
betablaster said:come to find out dude was an ex fling...
Do you even self respect???betablaster said:an update to last night
she sent me a text, saying "im sorry"
she called and i asked her to explain herself. she couldn't. all she said was "im sorry" not even one of those frantic sorry's like hey i really ****ed up. she tired to say she it was a joke... im not buying it... if it was a joke she could have said that fbefore i walked out on her. i left the conversation with i need some time to think. she said im not going to wait for you bs and i told her fine then i'm done. she quickly changed her tune. she said i will give you some space. and that's where i am now.
a few things that are bothering me is the fact that she doesn't really seem that upset about this situation. and i could even sense a bit of hostility in her voice.
i did explain to her that she needs to contact dude and inform him he needs to stop this bs or i will do it myself.
she agreed she would tell him he needs to back off.
i feel like i'm not getting any remorse from her...
so at this point i don't know what to do. i don't know how i'm going to trust her. please give me your wisdom!
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
But there IS something you can do now.betablaster said:i'ts over sucks and it hurts but nothing i can do now.
This is your answer.st_99 said:no need. your relationship is already over. based on the previous thread you had, the picture is clear. its over, go find another girl.
but you wont listen to me.![]()
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
I'm still perplexed as to why you just didn't shrug your shoulders, tell yourself "hypergamy gonna hypergamy" and continue plowing her while seeing other chicks?betablaster said:i'ts over sucks and it hurts but nothing i can do now.
I decided to let this slide she said it would never happen again... we spent 2 days together with her acting really atentive.. and overtly nice we went to a hohse party were I didnf know anyone but her brother. And a few others. So I was being social and I didnt spend much time with her. I could tell this really bothered her she was acting distant and when I asked her what was wrong she just said nothing and continued to pout. We left the party and I tired to talk to her on the way home she was still upset and wouldnt talk. At that point it hit me like a lighting bolt. I said. I dont need this. We got to her place and I grabbed my stuff and handex her the key to her place and that was it I walked out. She sent me a text on my way home that said "you forgot some shirtsHeadLightsOn said:This is your answer.
To me, the main aspect of all this is the disrespect she showed you when you called her on it. She doesn't treat you as an alpha, and from what Ive read, is actually treating you like an AFC.
You have reinforced this to her by demanding:
- no contact with male orbitor
- remove orbitor from FB
- 'making' her apologize
At the moment she possibly doesn't have any confirmed FB backup plan locked in. But she can escalate that orbitor to that status.
When she backed off - after you told her you were out of there - that was her, deciding to extend her time to hang around you. Because hse doesnt want to be dumped or alone. That equals no worth to her.
She seems low value to me.
Perhaps if you are able to get your head away from her pvssy, you can turn this situation around. Actually try treating her as a slvt. Withdraw your affection to a certain degree, definitely withdraw you IL. Appear disinterested in what she does and says, and keep an indifferent attitude.
In addition to you doing the above I would recommend you DO have another plate around.
Seriously, this girl is riding you. Like a donkey. Don't play Hee-Haw for her.
Edit - Well done. Could you post how it ended, by whom, any other details, would be good to get the whole picture.
Now this takes a pair of balls. It calls her out on her plan perfectly. I wouldn't throw the condom though, just hand it to her calmly tell her to do what she needs to do.. then pack and leave, never look back.origin138 said:Dude, she WANTED you to find out so you'd break up with her and she could go bang this guy. Women are all about plausible deniability. She can't outright break it off with you and go bang him, that would make her look like a cheating slvt. She has to have YOU break it off so she can throw it back in your face after she sleeps with the guy. "Well, betablaster broke up with me so that's why I slept with this other guy". See where I'm going with this?
Do yourself a favor, throw a condom at her face and tell her to do what she needs to do. Then pack your sh!t and leave and never look back.
Yes, "tossed" would have been the better verb to use. I remember about 10 years ago I was seeing this girl. One day we we're sitting in my car and she calmly says, "I met this guy, he's cute and he wants to fvck me." After a few minutes of scratching my head, I took a condom out of my pocket and nonchalantly flipped it in her face and told her to get out of the car and go sleep with him.Mr.Positive said:Now this takes a pair of balls. It calls her out on her plan perfectly. I wouldn't throw the condom though, just hand it to her calmly tell her to do what she needs to do.. then pack and leave, never look back.
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.