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Former PUA: Ex of 3+ years left me because I was too aloof

Sir Shinra

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It's been awhile, SS. Five years... A lot has happened since then. Put very shortly, my transformation into a PUA was more successful than I could have imagined, but after a year and a half I decided to get a girlfriend in the classic sense of the term, hanging up my PUA hat indefinitely. This one was definitely long term material. But I ****ed up.

Note: In contrast to 99% of "getting my ex back" threads, my relationship ended not due to clinginess on my part, but because I was emotionally distant and uncompromising. Please spare me the canned “bro u need to keep NC don let her win” responses. This post is for veteran or former PUAs with LTR experience. Also, keep in mind that Asian girls generally require much more attention than Western girls, so the standard "act like you don't want her" addage isn't going to work, as illustrated below.

The relationship: When I was an English teacher in Korea, I took a free course in which Korean university students would teach English to foreigners. On the first day of tutoring, I had the pleasure of being seated next to the girl who would later become my primary. She had just turned 21 and I was nearing 24. I was deep into PUA at the time, going on 3-5 dates a week and bedding a new girl twice a month on average, but after a few months I found myself spending the majority of my DayX time with her. Eventually, after lots of prodding on her part, I went exclusive with her. We were together for three years followed by a period of long distance when I went home to apply for military officer school. We are still separated by an ocean to this day.

She has a number of positive traits that I look for in a long term partner. She is an 8 (I don’t believe in tens, by the way), educated(graduated first in her university and is pursuing a masters in Japanese now), fluent in multiple languages(I want my kids to grow up trilingual), good social skills and fashion sense, has a unique appearance (her wide eyes, faintly freckled cheeks and brown hair almost make her look western), wants kids, is affection-seeking, follows my lead, never flakes (unlike most Korean women), is a freak in bed (because I made her that way), keeps her snatch and taint clean and smelling fresh at all times (this will absolutely spoil a man, should he be lucky enough to find a girl who does this. Reward her with more kink.) and is utterly dedicated to her mate (for example, we usually take turns paying when we eat out—something like 60:40 my end. However, when we are with a group of people and it is her turn to pay, she will slip me cash for the bill so she can reciprocate AND let me save face at the same time. I really appreciated that).

The only downsides are her low emotional intelligence and insecurity, further exasperated by the fact that as a practicing PUA, I was ****ing other women in the beginning months of our relationship. She has been getting over it, albeit very slowly. The other factor in her insecurity is my emotional distance. I place pride as my first priority, viewed compromise as surrender, and deliberately prevented myself from getting emotionally comfortable with her with the expectation that doing so would make her lose interest in me. I said the "L" word very infrequently and it of course led to some arguments with me explaining that using it every day, as she would have liked, would dilute its meaning.

The breakup: Soon after seeing her off after a three month stint living with me in my hometown, I checked out emotionally. I saw no real future in our relationship since settling down was out of the question for me, and marriage was obviously the only way or relationship would survive the sudden logistics change. However, I decided to just wait for her to initiate the breakup since that way I would not have to deal with her whining and accusing me of being indifferent towards her. Even after making this decision though, I still enjoyed texting with her twice a day, as not doing so felt unnatural. It felt nice having someone unequivocally in my corner even though I knew it wouldn't last much longer.

After four months of long distance, I started getting increased pressure from her to settle down into marriage, followed by some very strong hints that she would leave me for another guy should I not act soon. Not seeing any benefit to getting defensive over it, I told her to go ahead and do so. About a week later, she called me to break up. The breakup conversation lasted less than ten minutes. Here's a takeaway quote:

Ex: I want to break up.
Me: Okay.
Ex: Don't you want to know why?
Me: No.

I already knew the answer. She found another guy she could safely transition to and not have to deal with the heartache and withdrawal that would follow our breakup. I wouldn't give her the pleasure of holding that over my head. Ironically, the breakup talk was composed of her, the initiator, crying and telling her she would always love me while I, the dumpee, unemotionally brushed off everything she said. "Uh huh." "Okay." "Sure, we'll be best friends." I had no intention of remaining friends but I patronized her regardless. She might not have detected the sarcasm in my voice, but my indifference was unmistakable. I hung up feeling victorious.

Ten days later, she told me (without me asking) that the reason she broke up with me was that I kept calling her insecure and complained about her nagging. Then, without prompting, told me that she was dating another guy, but that she was still single (should I change my mind). I conveyed my lack of surprise, yet hid how upset it made me. I took offense to her rubbing the new guy in my face to seemingly blackmail me into marrying her, so I initiated no contact without notice. (In retrospect, I should have given her notice, since explaining my reasons for starting NC would have left things on an amicable note, and I wouldn't have to explain my actions later when I lift NC). I expected a quick victory as I used No Contact to success 9 months earlier. However this NC has lasted over five months and the breakup has only gotten harder on my psyche with time. The last big excuse for her to re-initiate contact, my birthday, passed in Month 3, so it's obvious she is not going to do it.

After much consideration, I have reversed my position. I acknowledge that letting her go was a mistake and I am ready to make a concise effort to improve communication and re-calibrate my attitude towards her. In my sophomoric determination to “not be AFC,” I was excessively distant and uncompromising while we were together. I rarely apologized for anything, even when I knew I was wrong. Being the loyal follower that she is, over time she stopped apologizing for things as well. Our relationship became adversarial due o poor communication and negative feedback loops. She pouts/cries/nags, I withdraw attention and affection in order to punish her, she pouts/cries/nags more, followed by a withdrawal of affection on her part. However, poor communication can be fixed with a little effort and the cycle of adversity will halt.

The next step: Next month, I will report to boot camp. I plan to re-establish contact by written letter during my stay there, which would span Month 6 through Month 9 of no contact. After priming her with letters, I plan to surprise her at her home (give her a phone call and then tell her to step outside). I know she will appreciate this as I never made romantic gestures like this while we were together, even though she would have liked me to. I am prepared to put a ring on her finger as she possesses many of the qualities I look for in a wife (mentioned above). I know that she is still with her new guy and my friends are reporting that she embellishes their relationship to no end on Facebook. I want to say that she is doing this to mess with my mind, but considering the final impression I made, she probably has assumed that I am so ambivalent towards her that I have not looked at her profile since the breakup.

She is now 25 (I'm 28) and, typical of Korean girls, she is very frantic about settling down before her perceived expiration date. She is dropping subtle marriage hints on her FB wall, which are viewable to all her friends, but I don’t think her new guy is reading them because it appears he does not have FB. Maybe if he did, he would run for the hills. As for me, been there, done that. She'd been hinting at marriage throughout our time together. It doesn’t even faze me.

I know the majority of respondents are going to try to talk me out of getting her back, and I have considered the possibility that I may not be in my right mind. That's one reason I've decided to wait until after boot camp to make the decisive move. However, no contact will be lifted within the next few weeks. I am probably going to prime her with an email or two before shipping out--sending her some cute photo she would find amusing, etc. Critique my plan, make suggestions for improvement. Hell, talk me out of it if you can. I just might be saner next month. Then again, surviving boot camp is all about not quitting.
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

apprenticedj

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Shinra I don't think you need any advice from us. You have a plan, follow through and let us know how this all works out. But it does sound like a "grass is always greener" situation. You had her but didn't want her, lost her and now you want her back. Let's say your plan works and you get her back, will you really want her this time? Or are you in love with the IDEA of her?
 

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I think you have a classic case of seller's remorse.

Most of us don't recognize the errors in our relationships until they are fully over. You are no different. Now you are in a situation where you are realizing your over-reaching efforts to not be AFC have cost you an otherwise good relationship, and your are romanticizing her in the wake of all this and your own solitude.


Sir Shinra said:
She pouts/cries/nags, I withdraw attention and affection in order to punish her, she pouts/cries/nags more, followed by a withdrawal of affection on her part.
Sir Shinra said:
The only downsides are her low emotional intelligence and insecurity

I'd think carefully about this. Women don't suddenly nag less when married. You cant have an adult relationship with someone who insecure and not capable of managing her emotions.

It sounds to me like you are more than capable of finding another girl of similar or better caliber. I sense some grass-is-greener syndrome as well.
 

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So you become with her because you find her good Long term material , but then you stated you(or other ) will run, when it comes to marriage .
so what do you exactly wanted from her marriage or just sex ?
 

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In his sophomoric determination to not become an AFC , ....

he writes a 10-page argument to justify his one-itis

trying to sell swine in the Jewish neighborhood... ... Getting the EX-back fantasies, here? In our house?

Calls himself a PUA and plans "surprise visits" to a woman who has moved on ...

Bro ... Ex-PUA ... Veteran ... whatever ,

Get the fvck out.

At least be upfront and honest, and admit that you are butt-hurt and you are insecure , and your alpha face was a sham , and you never internalized

this shít.

Please ...

If you are able to bed 2 girls in one month, you wouldn't be begging for strategies to GET THE EX BACK..

I don't care if you go back ... Why would we care if you try to go back?

You are just another example of a failure of the so-called PUA community.

Your gimmicks and canned texts are out, and you are fundamentally insecure.

No woman can be THAT important for an able-DJ who has his set life and his priorities straight,

unlike some high school drama queen who waits for HIS BIRTHDAY TO BE CELEBRATED BY AN OVERDUE EX.


Sorry for the rant, but I see right through this guy.
 

Bokanovsky

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Boilermaker said:
In his sophomoric determination to not become an AFC , ....

he writes a 10-page argument to justify his one-itis

trying to sell swine in the Jewish neighborhood... ... Getting the EX-back fantasies, here? In our house?

Calls himself a PUA and plans "surprise visits" to a woman who has moved on ...

Bro ... Ex-PUA ... Veteran ... whatever ,

Get the fvck out.

At least be upfront and honest, and admit that you are butt-hurt and you are insecure , and your alpha face was a sham , and you never internalized

this shít.

Please ...

If you are able to bed 2 girls in one month, you wouldn't be begging for strategies to GET THE EX BACK..

I don't care if you go back ... Why would we care if you try to go back?

You are just another example of a failure of the so-called PUA community.

Your gimmicks and canned texts are out, and you are fundamentally insecure.

No woman can be THAT important for an able-DJ who has his set life and his priorities straight,

unlike some high school drama queen who waits for HIS BIRTHDAY TO BE CELEBRATED BY AN OVERDUE EX.


Sorry for the rant, but I see right through this guy.
A little harsh but right on. We've got another Bible Belt here.

OP, I see a lot of rationalizing and over-analyzing in your post. You can't cross the bridge that you have just burned. Your elaborate plan to beg your ex to take you back is doomed to fail. It will just make her lose respect for you.
 

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only thing I don't get is, if you don't want to marry her and she want it, you both a living far from each other so tell me why you think your aloofness was the cause again?

what I see here is she want something you are not willing to give, she tried to push you for it but in response you start to flee from her. so the break up would ahppen you know it and she didn't want it, but since she want to marry someone, she is with the other dude who possible are not pushing that idea back like you did.

and now you are deling witha girl with somoene else who lives far from you, and possible will not drop her new guy unless you flat out ask her to marry you now, with is not a good thing for you to do now.

the reason you alswo are saying her new guy would run to the hill knowing she want to marry means you are sure she is not a wife material its your guts telling you this, but you are over thinking its not the case.

so again like someone else here said you can and should get a better caliber girl. I don't think the effort to "win her back" is worth at all, it can be even worse if she get preggo to force the guy to marry, and don't fool yourself I saw that happen several times, and newest one was 3 months ago.
 

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Sir Shinra said:
Note: In contrast to 99% of "getting my ex back" threads, my relationship ended not due to clinginess on my part, but because I was emotionally distant and uncompromising. Please spare me the canned “bro u need to keep NC don let her win” responses. This post is for veteran or former PUAs with LTR experience. Also, keep in mind that Asian girls generally require much more attention than Western girls, so the standard "act like you don't want her" addage isn't going to work, as illustrated below.
i won't tell you to go NC because you OBVIOUSLY have oneitis with this girl.
if you really were a DJ (pua is kind of a lame name for insecure guys trying to artificially fish for "compliments" in my eyes), you wouldn't care enough to write a LONG post about this.

don't go NC. cling to her. "prove her" you care. stalk her some more :)

there are guys who are hopeless.

Sir Shinra said:
She has a number of positive traits that I look for in a long term partner.
is breaking up with you one of those? if not, i got news for you.

dunno, i don't want to be mean but this OP seems so full of BS it hurts. the least you could do is to be honest with yourself. i'm all for the man being the boss, the one who cares less, but the truth is, you were a ****ty boyfriend to her. and the best you can do is think about yourself a bit, man up, forget her and start over with others, spin plates and try to better yourself.

you have a problem with yourself. i am sorry. all this does not even compute.

honestly, from the post, you seem like an emo teen wanting to act like a man, but in fact just being an a'hole. luckily EVERYONE can get better. it's a matter of "want". maybe it is just the cultural differences.
 
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