For those with the TradCon or low body count fantasy

[All_Kindz_Of_Gainz]

- Been working with this professional girl for 10 months from India, she's 31
- As conservative as anyone can be in 2023
- Married loving parents
- Loves her parents, very nice girl
- Had 1 other guy in her life when she was in India for 4 years
- Been with her husband 5 years, 4 as girlfriend
- Notch count of 2
- She's been thinking the idea of leaving her hubby because she hasn't had that much experience in dating, never got drunk, has never experimented with other girls, and feels she's missing out, all of that is her words not mine.

Be very careful with your ego thinking that you'll have a happy life because you think you found the unicorn that fills up your narcissistic fantasy of I find the one with a very low notch count or virgin, I'll have a happy fulfilled life, in other words, Convert Contract.

 

[Dr.Suave]

Be very careful

Careful? Yes, I agree 100%. You cant let your guard down, not even for a second. Hard to find, hard to pull, and even harder to keep them interested.

What´s your endgame bro? Spin plates for life? Settle with a girl who rode the carroussel and already "got it out of her system"? Because that last one doesnt work.

 

[All_Kindz_Of_Gainz]

even harder to keep them interested.

Idk man, I think if you have to think of every tactic and mind trick to keep a girl interested, the virgin card doesn't worth the squeeze, maybe for you is different cause if in mexico and latinos slvt shame the fvck out of women, which is good.

What´s your endgame bro? Spin plates for life? Settle with a girl who rode the carroussel and already "got it out of her system"? Because that last one doesnt work.

Definitely not a stipper, but who gives you the guarantee that $hit is not gonna happen to you as well, after a couple of years, and she feels she's missing out?

My endgame, not thinking about kids or a virginal girl to make me feel good that's for sure, a girl who respects my boundaries and brings value to your my life with minimal drama.

Rain Stone puts it better and I agree with that, "if you're getting enthusiastic s3x, you're getting her best by doing everything you want in bed, she brings value to your life and unless you know for a fact she's a ho3, why do you care about her about her notch count?"

 

[pipeman84]

- She's been thinking the idea of leaving her hubby because she hasn't had that much experience in dating, never got drunk, has never experimented with other girls, and feels she's missing out, all of that is her words not mine.

Kissa Sinns, pornstar, had been having sex only with Johny Sinns for 3 years when she got tired of having just Johnny's dyck in her and started doing porn again with other guys.
So this 'missing out' argument against virgin/low notch count girls is 100% BS.
If she at 31 longs experimenting with girls and getting drunk tells us she's not that smart.

Rain Stone puts it better and I agree with that, "if you're getting enthusiastic s3x, you're getting her best by doing everything you want in bed, she brings value to your life and unless you know for a fact she's a ho3, why do you care about her about her notch count?"

Now THAT's the real fantasy ... that a woman with a notch count is going to bring value to your life. She could do everything you want in bed (but so could an escort) at least in the beginning ... but that's not a true relationship, more of a sex arrangement.

Just think about it: how did she accumulate that notch count if she's such a value bringer in men's lives? It logically can't happen ... she either chooses complete douche-bags that she later dumps, and that says a lot about her ... you know, like attracts like, or she's being dumped because beyond a pretty face (with makeup) and enthusiastic sex (at least in the beginning) she has nothing to offer and is a pain in the butt.

 

[All_Kindz_Of_Gainz]

Kissa Sinns, pornstar, had been having sex only with Johny Sinns for 3 years when she got tired of having just Johnny's dyck in her and started doing porn again with other guys.
So this 'missing out' argument against virgin/low notch count girls is 100% BS.
If she at 31 longs experimenting with girls and getting drunk tells us she's not that smart.


Now THAT's the real fantasy ... that a woman with a notch count is going to bring value to your life. She could do everything you want in bed (but so could an escort) at least in the beginning ... but that's not a true relationship, more of a sex arrangement.

Just think about it: how did she accumulate that notch count if she's such a value bringer in men's lives? It logically can't happen ... she either chooses complete douche-bags that she later dumps, and that says a lot about her ... you know, like attracts like, or she's being dumped because beyond a pretty face (with makeup) and enthusiastic sex (at least in the beginning) she has nothing to offer and is a pain in the butt.

If you think the only value a girl brings to a man's life is sex then you're totally lost man, and you have nothing of value to offer, like you said, like attracts like. That's taking the red pill to an extreme

 

[pipeman84]

If you think the only value a girl brings to a man's life is sex then you're totally lost man, and you have nothing of value to offer, like you said, like attracts like. That's taking the red pill to an extreme

How did you come up with that conclusion from my post?

 

[CAPSLOCK BANDIT]

I think a lot of guys will go searching for that unicorn without realizing that they are very likely going to go through changes, even if you guys are "Pair-Bonded" or whatever mumbo jumbo you believe.

The harshest and most transformative force on a woman will never be a man, he may be a reason the conversation starts, but a womans friends and by extension, society, possess more leverage over time than any individual man ever will.

I know a lot of posters here are gonna die on this "Pair-Bonding is the only way" hill and you could be right in some individual cases but I think on the whole most of them are wrong, either through being misguided or straight up delusional.

 

[All_Kindz_Of_Gainz]

How did you come up with that conclusion from my post?

Damn I didn't know this forum were filled with autistic guys.

Now THAT's the real fantasy ... that a woman with a notch count is going to bring value to your life.

According to you a woman with a notch count doesn't bring any value to a man's life, you didn't explain why exactly, so it has to do something with sex, therefore the only woman who brings value to man's life is the one with no notch count, got it buddy.

Let me ask you a question, when was the last time you got laid, not by escorts, but by going on a date and seducing the woman?

 

[pipeman84]

According to you a woman with a notch count doesn't bring any value to a man's life, you didn't explain why exactly, so it has to do something with sex, therefore the only woman who brings value to man's life is the one with no notch count, got it buddy.

Just think about it: how did she accumulate that notch count if she's such a value bringer in men's lives? It logically can't happen ... she either chooses complete douche-bags that she later dumps, and that says a lot about her ... you know, like attracts like, or she's being dumped because beyond a pretty face (with makeup) and enthusiastic sex (at least in the beginning) she has nothing to offer and is a pain in the butt.

 

[All_Kindz_Of_Gainz]

I think a lot of guys will go searching for that unicorn without realizing that they are very likely going to go through changes, even if you guys are "Pair-Bonded" or whatever mumbo jumbo you believe.

The harshest and most transformative force on a woman will never be a man, he may be a reason the conversation starts, but a womans friends and by extension, society, possess more leverage over time than any individual man ever will.

I know a lot of posters here are gonna die on this "Pair-Bonding is the only way" hill and you could be right in some individual cases but I think on the whole most of them are wrong, either through being misguided or straight up delusional.

Every guy who writes a long a$$ paragraph explaining reasons and rationalizing is a big incel, they want to explain dating with logic and that $hit doesn't work, they only regurgitate what they see on videos, what they read on the internet, and echo chamber what other incel members write.

But then you see them in person, they don't have anything going on for them, no hobbies, dead broke, fatsos, no interest that a woman can attracted to them, but yeah its other people's fault.

 

[Manure Spherian]

If you think the only value a girl brings to a man's life is sex then you're totally lost man

What do you consider the value a woman can bring to a man’s life? I’m asking seriously, as I have my own idea about matter also.

 

[All_Kindz_Of_Gainz]

What do you consider the value a woman can bring to a man’s life? I’m asking seriously, as I have my own idea about matter also.

She should be your cheerleader, the one who wants to build with you, the one when you're down she will TRY* to help you (granted, not pick you up, but won't hit you when you're on the ground), she would want to build a home with you, please you to the best of her abilities, when you're going through stress she will be your peace and she will kneel down and svck you off just to make you feel happy without you asking, help you with the chores in the house, she will engage in your interest & hobbies just to please you, she will make you feel appreciated.

Of course you have to be a man worth of all that, you can't be sitting on the couch eating pizza and playing call of duty and magically a woman will be like that with you. While maybe true that relationships have a shelf life, this all may sound like a fairy tale, but not really, when you become such a guy that others don't compare, you have your $hit together, a top guy, who is her hypergamy best option, there is nothing terrifying to a girl than lose her best option. Most guy don't become the best they can be, therefore don't experience that and that becomes a feedback loop of getting bad treatment but its a self-fulfilling prophecy.

 

[CAPSLOCK BANDIT]

Every guy who writes a long a$$ paragraph explaining reasons and rationalizing is a big incel, they want to explain dating with logic and that $hit doesn't work, they only regurgitate what they see on videos, what they read on the internet, and echo chamber what other incel members write.

But then you see them in person, they don't have anything going on for them, no hobbies, dead broke, fatsos, no interest that a woman can attracted to them, but yeah its other people's fault.

I think one thing we can all agree on: The women have no reason to change what they are doing until they are aged out and by then, it really does not matter.

I just said it in another thread but self development will never not be the right answer, may not be the best at any given moment but it's always going to be right.

 

[Solomon]

Every guy who writes a long a$$ paragraph explaining reasons and rationalizing is a big incel, they want to explain dating with logic and that $hit doesn't work, they only regurgitate what they see on videos, what they read on the internet, and echo chamber what other incel members write.

But then you see them in person, they don't have anything going on for them, no hobbies, dead broke, fatsos, no interest that a woman can attracted to them, but yeah its other people's fault.

I would reckon 50-75% of men who post in this forum are incels, the "Body count" argument has always been delusional to me. Unless you meet a woman at a young age, religious, or in an amish community. Most women by the time they hit 25 are already in the double digits for body count even non-sluts (unless the woman got married from a young age but I've seen divorced women go crazy once they get divorced etc) and a lot of women will lie if they feel like you're a catch or will judge them. I saw pay attention to her behavior and congruence that will tell you more always pay more attention to a woman's actions than words

 

[pipeman84]

Most women by the time they hit 25 are already in the double digits for body count even non-sluts (unless the woman got married from a young age but I've seen divorced women go crazy once they get divorced etc) and a lot of women will lie if they feel like you're a catch or will judge them.

That's both nonsensical and contradictory.
Contradictory because a woman can't be in the double digits by 25yrs old and also be a a non slut. Heck, even if she's 75yrs old and has a double digit body count she's a slut.
Nonsensical because to accumulate that kind of body count she has to have a mental illness and/or be a heavy user of drugs/alcohol. And even if that's case, promiscuity is just one form of manifestation which doesn't apply to all. Therefore it logically follows that we're talking here about a percentage of a minority of women, not most women.

It's often said how easy it is for women to get sex, for instance walk into a bar and say: who wants to have sex with me, and 99% of the guys in there will take her offer (the other 1% are gay ). Or how many matches they get on OLD. But what's left out is that there's nothing to gain for a sane woman from this meaningless sex, women are not wired like men. It's both against her female nature and against societal norms for a woman to fvck guys left right and center.

 

[Bokanovsky]

According to you a woman with a notch count doesn't bring any value to a man's life, you didn't explain why exactly

Have you ever looked at used car adds? If you have, you might have noticed ads that say “one owner car”. Why is that considered a positive in the used car market? Because everyone understands that a car that has gone through multiple owners has likely been abused, poorly maintained, and run into the ground. Same deal with women.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Is there some sort of magical thinking among you types of folks that think that the same rules do not apply to males.

I am a relatively high body count male, I KNOW it has affected my ability to bond, I used to think it didn’t but it definitely does.

Seriously.

Have you ever looked at used car adds? If you have, you might have noticed ads that say “one owner car”. Why is that considered a positive in the used car market? Because everyone understands that a car that has gone through multiple owners has likely been abused, poorly maintained, and run into the ground. Same deal with women.

 

[pipeman84]

Is there some sort of magical thinking among you types of folks that think that the same rules do not apply to males.

I am a relatively high body count male, I KNOW it has affected my ability to bond, I used to think it didn’t but it definitely does.

Seriously.

To a certain degree they do apply because both males and females are human beings. That said, there are huge differences between the two and if you don't think so, try to get pregnant and give birth to a baby.

Have you ever looked at used car adds? If you have, you might have noticed ads that say “one owner car”. Why is that considered a positive in the used car market? Because everyone understands that a car that has gone through multiple owners has likely been abused, poorly maintained, and run into the ground. Same deal with women.

It's much worse for women because the car is an inanimate object and didn't have a say in the number or type of owners whereas the women out of their own free will chose for who and how many times to spread their legs.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

I appreciate the answer, didn’t expect one, but the part about tying to have a baby doesn’t seem to fit the construct where discussing.

I know there certainly are differences between the sexes but this rote idea that men can handle promiscuity differently than women, particularly that it does not affect their mentation is peculiar.

I find many here rail against females for behavior they themselves engage in or wish they could, with no introspection e.g. women having many sex partners = bad, men having many sex partners =
good. How do you hold both ideas at the same time?

 

[Gamisch]

- Been working with this professional girl for 10 months from India, she's 31
- As conservative as anyone can be in 2023
- Married loving parents
- Loves her parents, very nice girl
- Had 1 other guy in her life when she was in India for 4 years
- Been with her husband 5 years, 4 as girlfriend
- Notch count of 2
- She's been thinking the idea of leaving her hubby because she hasn't had that much experience in dating, never got drunk, has never experimented with other girls, and feels she's missing out, all of that is her words not mine.

Be very careful with your ego thinking that you'll have a happy life because you think you found the unicorn that fills up your narcissistic fantasy of I find the one with a very low notch count or virgin, I'll have a happy fulfilled life, in other words, Convert Contract.

I would reckon 50-75% of men who post in this forum are incels, the "Body count" argument has always been delusional to me. Unless you meet a woman at a young age, religious, or in an amish community. Most women by the time they hit 25 are already in the double digits for body count even non-sluts (unless the woman got married from a young age but I've seen divorced women go crazy once they get divorced etc) and a lot of women will lie if they feel like you're a catch or will judge them. I saw pay attention to her behavior and congruence that will tell you more always pay more attention to a woman's actions than words

You a solid dude but recently you diminishing the power and knowledge of your fellow dj and that doesn't make any sense.

Having said that i for one agree with the rest of your post. It's definitely about what she does for you NOW rather than what she might do in a distance future.