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Could you explain what you mean by this? I'm not understanding.
The rational, logical brain section "mental" vs the impulsive, illogical brain section "emotional"
 

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The rational, logical brain section "mental" vs the impulsive, illogical brain section "emotional"
Still not sure I follow. Are you saying those girls reactions to the fitness model dude were mental/logic reactions as opposed to emotional/visual reactions? Does that mean you're saying women don't have an instinctive primal reaction from looking at a ripped guy? Not sure where the logic comes in.
 

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Still not sure I follow. Are you saying those girls reactions to the fitness model dude were mental/logic reactions as opposed to emotional/visual reactions? Does that mean you're saying women don't have an instinctive primal reaction from looking at a ripped guy? Not sure where the logic comes in.
hmm, good observation. Let me think.
 

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lol, good perspectives, your hairline may be receding but you said you have a cool thug face so that will still attract women looking for 'bodyguard' security.
lol, on the being alright with fat people saying they love food. and that's why they're fat.
I'm alright with people like that too because they are realists, truth-tellers.

I don't know how it happened but I have completely lost my cravings for junk food after watching all those omegle girls' reactions.

Try to tell me that wasn't a logical vs. emotional decision (the end to junk food craving)


I've seen lots of media showing men's reactions to HB females

(so you'd think that would have encouraged me, i.e. if I get that fit I'll get that reaction from guys, but I dislike competing with other girls and so I find motivation watching the girls reaction to the buff guy)

but never girls on a fit muscular guy. My brain is female but I think like/I am like a man. Biochemistry is ****ed by environment.

fixed it, hope the reading comprehension is better but I get the feeling you want me explain my thought more.
 
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Still not sure I follow. Are you saying those girls reactions to the fitness model dude were mental/logic reactions as opposed to emotional/visual reactions? (I only commented on my own reaction) Does that mean you're saying women don't have an instinctive primal reaction from looking at a ripped guy? (I have no comment or judgement on those girls' reactions. I was only referring to my own solipsistic reaction and surprising source of motivation to stop the junk food. I made the logical decision to stop the junk food because I'm motivated to be as fit as that guy. )
Not sure where the logic comes in.
My addition to your quote in my brackets.
 
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fixed it, hope the reading comprehension is better but I get the feeling you want me explain my thought more.
Nope, you're off the hook :) I get what you were trying to say now. Thanks for taking the time out to explain it.
 

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Nope, you're off the hook :) I get what you were trying to say now. Thanks for taking the time out to explain it.
I'm so relieved!
I write on this forum like I'm writing to myself in a journal entry.
My bad for not taking more time, I own that confusion.
 

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It's a little confusing since we're told that women aren't that visual.
But speaking of confidence, getting that kind of reaction consistently must inspire a lot of confidence in that dude.
Funny
Random thought...I'd guess that the majority of men on sites like Sosuave, Bodybuilding, AskTRP, etc., etc., are either above average in looks or okay lookswise and take good care of their bodies.

That is, it's probably rare that a man who's hopelessly ugly, obese, or otherwise unattractive might come here. Maybe I'm wrong. To be solipsistic for a moment, I came here years ago because I knew I was above average and couldn't figure out what I was doing wrong. I wonder how many other men did the same thing. So maybe it becomes an echo chamber of "looks aren't as important."
To be solipsistic as well, if I was ugly, I wouldn’t even be here. I wouldn’t even have 1/1000th of my experience to be preaching to anyone. So for me, being good looking is like a given. I assume everyone has LMS. And I purposely ignore the incels because I don’t know what to say to them.

If I say something like “All you need are hobbies with women in it and show up in broad day light. All the mysteries of women will reveal themselves to you,” it actually only applies to a guy who has LMS. It doesnt apply to anyone else.

Even when I preach about “wavelength,” I am not saying it is more important than looks. That’s almost like a straw man. I assume every guy listening to me is a good looking alpha winner in life.

From the pool of high LMS people, what’s NEXT? It’s people choosing those that are on their wavelength.

There are plenty of good looking women that I don’t get along with, even in my own social circles/environments.

The beautiful people - they don’t stress about looks because it’s a given.

It’s like being part of a billion dollar hedge fund and saying “guys it’s all about money. Money makes the world go round.” People would look at you like an outsider pretending that he belongs.

This is just my own personal experience, but as a guy who was born handsome and has taken it for granted his entire life, what works for me is having a vibrant social life where I have access and connections, hobbies that fulfill me beyond petty romance, and a winning attitude. By being a complete man, it makes me look congruent with my transcendental charm, if you will.

I have disappointed many women in the past by showing up as the most charming guy in the room only to disappoint them with douchebag/overcompensating behavior. They actually get disappointed when my behavior/personality is incongruent with my natural charm.

For example, one time a woman opened me at an outside bar in San Francisco by saying “you look really cool with those shades.” Instead of being humble and gracious, I responded with “I know.” She looked like her dreams were crushed. She expected me to be this super cool yet humble guy that she could admire, but in reality I was a self absorbed douchebag. I also immediately felt incongruent and thought to myself “this isn’t me. It’s not even about me. I’m already complete. I should be the transcendental leader type who has so much value that he can put others first and raise them to his level.” That’s how subtle and nuanced the game is for me.

Nowhere am I still thinking about LMS. That sh1t is all assumed. In a league of extraordinary gentlemen and transcendental leaders, the game is about being beautiful on the inside.

Masculine beauty is something that isnt often talked about. But i believe it’s about being balanced and not neglecting any parts of yourself (including your looks), always attacking your life pressures head on, becoming a transcendent being who can lead and inspire others towards transcendence, and generally just elevating himself and his environment towards the next level of human evolution.

P.s. I’ve noticed that generally good looking guys relate to me the most on this site and rarely argue with me because we are coming from similar experiences. We are on similar wavelengths. My advice is tailored made for the charming guy in the room that everyone pays attention to. Because that’s who I am.
 
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Go read the Pook book about his skinny to buff transformation. Gaining some muscle is one of the easiest things you guys can do to gain a couple points on the attraction scale. Everyone reading this forum should be lifting or at least doing some calisthenics weekly.
 
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Random thought...I'd guess that the majority of men on sites like Sosuave, Bodybuilding, AskTRP, etc., etc., are either above average in looks or okay lookswise and take good care of their bodies.

That is, it's probably rare that a man who's hopelessly ugly, obese, or otherwise unattractive might come here. Maybe I'm wrong. To be solipsistic for a moment, I came here years ago because I knew I was above average and couldn't figure out what I was doing wrong.
To be solipsistic as well, if I was ugly, I wouldn’t even be here. I wouldn’t even have 1/1000th of my experience to be preaching to anyone. So for me, being good looking is like a given. I assume everyone has LMS. And I purposely ignore the incels because I don’t know what to say to them.
That's interesting, because I have never considered myself good looking. I mean I don't think I'm ugly (certainly I'm not an incel), but I think I'm pretty much average in the looks department. I've always said my looks don't help me, but they don't seem to hurt me either - so like I said, average. Some days I look in the mirror and think I look great, and other days not so much. There are certain girls who consider me attractive, but I don't have the kind of looks that are going to get a lot of attention when I walk into the room.

I've always thought it must be great to be that good looking (by that I mean to be considered well above average). Or to even think you're that good looking lol. I don't think I could ever consider myself to be that good looking because I am too aware of my own flaws. I think I may even have some very mild body dysmorphia. Then again I don't find males to be that physically attractive in general - I'm often surprised at some of the men I hear women raving about - like Colin Jost or Seth McFarlane.

I remember when I was younger there was a part of me that considered myself more handsome than others, but another part that felt inferior. Realistically, I eventually came to the conclusion I was average looking. I work out and try to eat healthy, but genetically the males in my family have tended to be pretty scrawny. I had to bulk myself up quite a bit just to get to the point where I was normal lol.

Originally I became interested in seduction theory because I was getting some age on (I think I was 48 at the time), and I was aware that there were ideas about women being attracted to certain behaviors, so I was looking into that. I knew I was getting close to an age where I would be losing physical attractiveness (at the level I had), so I was wondering if there were any compensations I could use. There's a self identity issue to being a (somewhat) attractive male, and I knew girls could be attracted to older men (my girlfriend is 15 years younger). So that's why I came here. I stuck around because I think the topic is interesting. I don't feel like I'm here to give game advice, as I don't consider myself an expert, but I will relate things I've learned from my experiences when appropriate.

One school of thought that was around at the time was that a "game" theory could only be proven if it was put into effect by a relatively unattractive male. That way it could be proven that it was the behavior that was doing the attracting, and not just the looks.
 

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Still not sure I follow. Are you saying those girls reactions to the fitness model dude were mental/logic reactions as opposed to emotional/visual reactions? Does that mean you're saying women don't have an instinctive primal reaction from looking at a ripped guy? Not sure where the logic comes in.
Lizard brain - "I am hungry", and it picks whichever food source to fit that hunger.
Lizard brain - "I am scared", it chooses fight or flight with no input from you
LIzard brain - "I like that girl", in a room of 100 it only see's her it desires her
Lizard brain - "I need to survive", it will pick even non rational tactics to provide the means to survive.

Lizard brain bypasses your rational thought. Thus if your image is one her lizard brain desires, she will be stupid behind you and do all these sorts of things she "normally" would never do.
 

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Some more data for those intelligent enough to get it.

https://www.businessinsider.com/attractive-people-are-more-successful-2012-9?IR=T

https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/games-primates-play/201203/the-truth-about-why-beautiful-people-are-more-successful

https://news.rice.edu/2011/11/09/looks-do-matter-2/

Now repeat after me, its all about confidence and inner game...if you think otherwise you are insecure and lack game.

Now seriously, the only people that is insecure and lack inner game are those who cant accept reality even when its pushed in front of their faces.

The best suggestion we can give to young new users asking for help is to get in shape, fix their body and face first thing.
We should make it clear that it takes work and dedication but the cascade effect will help them in the other parts of their life too and it will come much easier to improve their personality too given the right tools.
 

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Lizard brain - "I am hungry", and it picks whichever food source to fit that hunger.
Lizard brain - "I am scared", it chooses fight or flight with no input from you
LIzard brain - "I like that girl", in a room of 100 it only see's her it desires her
Lizard brain - "I need to survive", it will pick even non rational tactics to provide the means to survive.

Lizard brain bypasses your rational thought. Thus if your image is one her lizard brain desires, she will be stupid behind you and do all these sorts of things she "normally" would never do.
this was a good way to answer zekko...next time I'll just @mrgoodstuff to reply.:)

Just reading up on lizard brain, actually never read it described before.:)
They taught about the amygdala in the Mental Health First Aid course and the Nonviolent Crisis Intervention course that I took for curiosity's sakes, but not the term 'lizard brain'. I like this.
 
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Your primal processing outside of social programming. It's a good read.
I love the brain. I will read more.

I think my neocortex is strong. Why I can relate to men as humans and not sex objects---not even joking.
 

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Looking at men as Sex objects is better than looking at them as resources just to be exploited.
does knowledge count as 'resources'?
then yes I've been doing that(exploiting for knowledge) my whole life.
That is, looking at men as a knowledge resource so I then know how to gather my own resources by myself.

I could write a long book about all the male teachers I've had to gain job and life skills.
 

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does knowledge count as 'resources'?
then yes I've been doing that(exploiting for knowledge) my whole life.
That is, looking at men as a knowledge resource so I then know how to gather my own resources by myself.

I could write a long book about all the male teachers I've had to gain job and life skills.
At least you give your male teachers their credit. Many act like they did it all on their own.
 

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At least you give your male teachers their credit. Many act like they did it all on their own.
Some of them have vanished.
They are no longer living.
What they taught me is in me and helps me form the words I'm typing right now.

Back to this thread topic and realisation I had, I still don't understand how watching the girls reactions to the buff guy in the omegle social experiment video made me want to stop eating junk food.
I must be gay.
I must feel like I want some of those girls' reactions for myself.
Hence, why it was difficult to explain myself to zekko
 
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