Shivastorm_88
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What is your typical success (#-close ratio) rate? And what type of approach do you usually go for, very direct (simply say hi) or sort of situational?
"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
For those of you who do day cold approaches
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"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
I don't do day game cold approaches as a hobby and I spend not so much time in the city so the numbers game (there will be eventually a success) does not apply to me and my statistic is not based on hundreds, more like tens.
Basically form approaches I did, I have like max of 2 in 10 success (at least bedding her).
The scenario is like this:
I see a girl.
I do some smart remark.
In most cases she acknowledges me but no further conversation, just acknowledgement.
You can see on her that her IL is breaking through the ceiling.
Nervous, curling hair, avoiding eye contact, smiling, red in face.
I ask for a date now if situation permits. It is declined. I persist, calling her coward, heh. She resists. It gets a little awkward so I extract her number.
I call later. In the evening, next day or in three days.
No one answers. So I text. And the answer is...'You have a wrong number,pal.'
There is another scenario:
Where girls even go on a date but I see no clear IOI and basically I have this feeling they view me with contempt like a snob treating a factory worker. You can see that they change their minds but contempt is changed to wonder not higher IL. Meanwhile their attitude makes my IL go south and the adventure turns in to power struggle. Where I end up with contempt for them.
In some rare cases it turns out slightly better but no breeze walk. Best when I meet her accidentally again and end up talking like friends. Then I am able to seduce her.
The best results I got in clubs/bars acting like this stone cold arrogant pr1ck. Best results in F@ck Close that is. But let me tell you the sex was bad, even weird. Mostly they wanted to get serviced and they gave back as least as possible. I don't do that anymore.
I am pretty attractive guy, so maybe thats why there are so many extremes. Extremely High IL vs Contempt on first sight, Paralyzing Intimidation vs Sadistic Sexual aggression.
But it is individual thing, don't get repelled by my lack of success. For a city guy, day game cold approach is the only reasonable chance.
When I have enough I will move to small town. Girls have a chance to observe you for longer.
Basically form approaches I did, I have like max of 2 in 10 success (at least bedding her).
The scenario is like this:
I see a girl.
I do some smart remark.
In most cases she acknowledges me but no further conversation, just acknowledgement.
You can see on her that her IL is breaking through the ceiling.
Nervous, curling hair, avoiding eye contact, smiling, red in face.
I ask for a date now if situation permits. It is declined. I persist, calling her coward, heh. She resists. It gets a little awkward so I extract her number.
I call later. In the evening, next day or in three days.
No one answers. So I text. And the answer is...'You have a wrong number,pal.'
There is another scenario:
Where girls even go on a date but I see no clear IOI and basically I have this feeling they view me with contempt like a snob treating a factory worker. You can see that they change their minds but contempt is changed to wonder not higher IL. Meanwhile their attitude makes my IL go south and the adventure turns in to power struggle. Where I end up with contempt for them.
In some rare cases it turns out slightly better but no breeze walk. Best when I meet her accidentally again and end up talking like friends. Then I am able to seduce her.
The best results I got in clubs/bars acting like this stone cold arrogant pr1ck. Best results in F@ck Close that is. But let me tell you the sex was bad, even weird. Mostly they wanted to get serviced and they gave back as least as possible. I don't do that anymore.
I am pretty attractive guy, so maybe thats why there are so many extremes. Extremely High IL vs Contempt on first sight, Paralyzing Intimidation vs Sadistic Sexual aggression.
But it is individual thing, don't get repelled by my lack of success. For a city guy, day game cold approach is the only reasonable chance.
When I have enough I will move to small town. Girls have a chance to observe you for longer.
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that method sounds horrible man. you'd benifit by improving it.
on average a number should be had in every 3 to 5 interactions depending on your skill and her availability. direct and indirect are equally effective.
that method sounds horrible man. you'd benifit by improving it.
on average a number should be had in every 3 to 5 interactions depending on your skill and her availability. direct and indirect are equally effective.
It is not a method,lol. Thats just me *ucking up. Badly bruised but still here and ready for some more. Even when a girl is wet for you, she can still shoot you down for god knows what. Prepare for the worst....even hotshots crash and burn. Thats my message.stayfly said:^^^^^
that method sounds horrible man. you'd benifit by improving it.
on average a number should be had in every 3 to 5 interactions depending on your skill and her availability. direct and indirect are equally effective.
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1/10 for me usually, direct game.
"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.