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What were your experiences and what has it taught you so far ?
"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
For guys who have been in the friend zone and escaped !!
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"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
ImTheDoubleGreatest!
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Wrong subforum but I can answer:
It has happened to me many times actually, and all of those times I felt really good about myself because I finally had the girls give me looks. But at that point, part of me didn't really want them anymore because they just oroved how superficial they were. It was when they saw something about me that they never would have believed I had/did/was able to do. Usually when they saw me ****tless or if someone told them how fast I was at swimming. I had a really toned physique ever since I was 13. Not bulky like a bodybuilder, but slim and sleek. I got bigger from then till now. My avatar is me when I was 15 and I am 17 as of right now. Maybe I should update it.... then again I don't think I look like I've gotten much bigger since 15
Back to the topic: people need to see a change in you so drastic that it's like 'is this even the same person I knew?' because at that point they do view you as a different person. You just have to be sure not to repeat any of the weak behaviors you may have had before. In my case, I think puberty helped a lot haha. But for you at your age, you need to suddenly win the lottery, become super ripped, or something like that. Something BIG.
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I see what you mean Ive been the friend zone before and have gotten laid.I guess its true what they say if I only knew what I knew now then it would have been a lot easier lol.I am 33 girls is 25 but have made some afc mistakes but nothing serious just wanted to know what have been your experiences
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anyone else want to chime in
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nice responses if only I knew what I know now haha was friend zoned for a year too what does not kill you makes you stronger
"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
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I stopped being married and got my mojo back. Suddenly I looked at women friends differently and they looked at me differently.
Vantagepoint34
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There is no such thing as a friend zone escape Master. What happened to Michael Angelo Haha. Mastery? Don't think so
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I think it's difficult but not impossible I think that's a lot easier when a teenagers in high school due to immaturity and gets harder as you get older if you read The Art of Seduction it clearly states and when the chance that you could definitely get out of friendzone although it might take a lot longer
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Deesade is right and wrong. IMVHO.
It is not a crime to have women friends. 50% of the worlds population are women. There is s chance there are some you get on with that you don't want to bang.
If there is a woman you want to bang who friendzoned you then next her. Try someone else.
It also means you might have made a few mistakes.
-You didn't make your intentions clear from the outset and came across as someone who was happy to be an orbiter.
-You gave away your power too soon
-You didn't have options or raise your SMV
-You don't know how to project an air of confident male energy.
-You didn't push your luck but played it safe and nice and friendly.
-You didn't read her signals very well.
Maybe none of these. Who knows why women do this. I do know that confidently sexual men rarely get friendzoned because if a woman said, "can we just be friends?" the man would laugh and say, "no, there's the door. You don't want to bang, then leave." He has choices.
If you haven't professed your undying love or something stupid then get active socially with the women around her, sleep with them (you should be doing this anyway). She MIGHT think that she misjudged your SMV and become interested again, if you still care.
The ultimate aphrodisiac for women is knowing other women want to f*ck you. If you are not at the point where you think you can do this it is still healthier being social than mopung over someone who isn't that interested anyway.
It is not a crime to have women friends. 50% of the worlds population are women. There is s chance there are some you get on with that you don't want to bang.
If there is a woman you want to bang who friendzoned you then next her. Try someone else.
It also means you might have made a few mistakes.
-You didn't make your intentions clear from the outset and came across as someone who was happy to be an orbiter.
-You gave away your power too soon
-You didn't have options or raise your SMV
-You don't know how to project an air of confident male energy.
-You didn't push your luck but played it safe and nice and friendly.
-You didn't read her signals very well.
Maybe none of these. Who knows why women do this. I do know that confidently sexual men rarely get friendzoned because if a woman said, "can we just be friends?" the man would laugh and say, "no, there's the door. You don't want to bang, then leave." He has choices.
If you haven't professed your undying love or something stupid then get active socially with the women around her, sleep with them (you should be doing this anyway). She MIGHT think that she misjudged your SMV and become interested again, if you still care.
The ultimate aphrodisiac for women is knowing other women want to f*ck you. If you are not at the point where you think you can do this it is still healthier being social than mopung over someone who isn't that interested anyway.
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What do you mean
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
wifehunter
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It's easy... Just don't be one of her orbiters. Use scarcity, to increase your value.
The friendzone is for orbiters who are constantly in her face.
I learned this one in high school (1992), it wasn't until I walked away... Then, she finally wanted to kiss me.
The friendzone happens when she is your world.
The friendzone is for orbiters who are constantly in her face.
I learned this one in high school (1992), it wasn't until I walked away... Then, she finally wanted to kiss me.
The friendzone happens when she is your world.
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Disagree. Some women can make great friends. If they share your interests, why not?
Also, having female friends around, especially hot ones, adds to your social proof and shows you to be of high value. On certain conditions:
You can't be pedestaling the woman and trying to "game" her. If you act like her bish and do everything you can for her, other women will take notice and it will actually lower your value.
OP, purely by the fact you are posting this thread, asking how to get out of the friend zone, I can tell you have her on the pedestal. Meet other women. Maybe, just maybe, once you get good with other girls and learn how detach yourself from the outcome, once you've gotten to the point where you just naturally act like an alpha, she might take notice and display interest. Now don't go into this hoping that will happen, because that keeps her on the pedestal. Go out with plenty of other girls and learn to not give a sh!t whether or not it works out with them
narcissist
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I agree. I think you can have female friends. Just don't be a f*ggot about it and youre good.
As for getting out of the friendzone? You have to change your whole life and approach to life. Once you stop giving a sh1t about your oneitis and start gaming other chicks they sometimes will become interested.
As for getting out of the friendzone? You have to change your whole life and approach to life. Once you stop giving a sh1t about your oneitis and start gaming other chicks they sometimes will become interested.
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I've only done it once and it was a girl I hadn't seen in a few months.
She friendzoned me for a LONG time, eventually I went NC
That was one of the first things that began to awaken me to red pill. I hit the gym for months and put on some quality mass plus lost the puppy fat I was carrying, plus just had a different attitude. She eventually saw a pic of me on Facebook that a friend tagged me in and I saw her "like" it.
As soon as I got the "like" update on my phone I just thought "wait for it" and within 15 minutes she texts me "miss you"
And that same night I ****ed her for the first time.
Pretty much you need to go NC and make a big change if you are friend zoned. Because if she's put you there she has no attraction and sees you as an asexual attention source. She doesn't think you have a ****.
You "escape it" by just walking away, she may or may not hear from again. There is no "direct route" out once you are in there.
She friendzoned me for a LONG time, eventually I went NC
That was one of the first things that began to awaken me to red pill. I hit the gym for months and put on some quality mass plus lost the puppy fat I was carrying, plus just had a different attitude. She eventually saw a pic of me on Facebook that a friend tagged me in and I saw her "like" it.
As soon as I got the "like" update on my phone I just thought "wait for it" and within 15 minutes she texts me "miss you"
And that same night I ****ed her for the first time.
Pretty much you need to go NC and make a big change if you are friend zoned. Because if she's put you there she has no attraction and sees you as an asexual attention source. She doesn't think you have a ****.
You "escape it" by just walking away, she may or may not hear from again. There is no "direct route" out once you are in there.
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"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"
I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.
The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.
Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.
RangerMIke
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@Infern0 is correct. When you find yourself with a female friend and decide you want to start fvcking her, you have to back off. Wait for her to ask you why, then you tell her and vanish.
If she even reaches out to you again assume she wants to hook up and make it happen. If she doesn't then she was never interested. It's the only way. She has to know the only way she is going to get attention from you is if you are fvcking her...
If she even reaches out to you again assume she wants to hook up and make it happen. If she doesn't then she was never interested. It's the only way. She has to know the only way she is going to get attention from you is if you are fvcking her...
wifehunter
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Most of the time you don't even have to tell them, they already know.
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Nice info I'm taking my information from the art seduction