"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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For every interaction (number) you attain, how many of them flake?

How many flakes out of the amount of numbers, on average do you get

  • 10%

    Votes: 1 5.3%
  • 20%

    Votes: 2 10.5%
  • 30%

    Votes: 3 15.8%
  • 40%

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 50%

    Votes: 5 26.3%
  • 60%

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 70%

    Votes: 3 15.8%
  • 80%

    Votes: 3 15.8%
  • 90%

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 100%

    Votes: 2 10.5%

  • Total voters
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The Mad Ghost

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Just a quuick evaluation procsess of the Sosuave percentage rate on flakes. Please be as honest as possible. Include all of your interactions, online, street game pickup, social circle, work, school and college.

NOTE: Flaking - my definition of this means the following: unanswered phonecalls and texts, agreeing to meet up or hang out then bail on last minute, longevity, unsure of when she is able to meet up or uninterested in doing so, schedule date and does not attend and vanishing magic even though you have spoken after retreieving her details.

For every 10 numbers or interactions allowing me to get the phone details, I have around a 80% flake rate. Thats 8 women I just approached, interacted with face-to-face or by online methods, have fizzled out on average, with a 80% phone number aquired rate. So something needs twitching or configuring here.
 
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"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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loveshogun

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Til recently, almost none of them. Now, about 30 percent. I must be losing my edge.
 

Clark Kent

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Around 70-75% of them.

I get alot of numbers aswell though. Maybe 10 online, and another 10 in person which is why my Flake Rate is considerably higher. I take it the guys from 20-30% don't get that many numbers picking up randoms, thus having less flakes, OP included social circle, school and college too.

For any guy that goes out 3-7 times a week, getting numbers. A flake rate should really be above 50% and no more than 90%, unless you're Captain Pimpn' Pants or you just Suck At Phone Game, and didn't make a solid number.
 

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Lol. I'm at 50% but that means nothing since I'm just 1 and 1 :D
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Clark Kent said:
^ Wut?

So 5, in every 10 women flake on you? I'd say thats average.
no, I've tried to get 2 Numbers, and succeeded, and one of them flaked.

2 so far. that's it. lol
 

blueline

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Hmmm... let's see. I got 9 numbers this semester that I actually wanted to ****. Only a couple of those numbers were totally random, and a few of them actually came out for the day 2, but no sex occurred. ****ed 3 new girls, none of them were from number closes, just SNL or social circle.
 

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So, 9/9 of girls I actually wanted to copulate with ultimately rejected me, which more or less tells me that i'm going after girls that are too hot for me. you're supposed to get better numbers from social circle.
 

terran2k

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too hot for you? you got the wrong attitude already.
 

blueline

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i mean, i've fucked a hotter girl than a few of them, but the rest of the girls I've fucked these days come nowhere close to the numbers i try to fuck. girls are DTF before you even open your mouth if you're the right guy. if you're not, well, spin the wheel again. the non-verbals of an interested girl are so completely and utterly different from a disinterested girl
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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The Mad Ghost

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Why am I getting so many Flakes, I've had over 5 in the last 1-2 weeks?

Really? I can definetely say that it was NEVER this hard to get a lay or take a girl out after getting her digits about 4-5 years ago.

HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE YOU GUYS TO GET A GIRL OUT/DAY 2 AFTER GETTING HER PHONE NUMBER?
 

Solomon

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Great fuccing thread ghost you get a rep from me

I can honestly say it's 90% flaking is just horrible for me, although as of late I don't go for numbers cause usually nothing pans out, if am in the field I'm going for something that's a "sure bet" but those girls tend to be flakey was well I now if I approach a 100 chicks (and I mean in a serious way not bullsyt) maybe I can pull of 8 dates, that's 8%

For online game I would say it's about 75%
 

Big Overseas 1

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The longer I talk to a girl when i first meet her the less they flake on me.
 

Packers2010

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i never get fake numbers. but then again i never get to many number either. so when i do get a number then girls wants to talk to me.
 
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