ohiobohio518
Don Juan
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Thanks for the advice guys
Thanks for the advice guys
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Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
Sounds good. Just out of curiosity, are you against drinking?ohiobohio518 said:I'm 23... she's I dunno, 24 or 25. I know her through work (she doesnt work at the same place). Recently single.
First date:
Invited her out to ice cream the way you're supposed to, just a few hours before going: "I'm gonna get ice cream after I eat dinner. Wanna join?" Asking as if I was gonna go there anyway, and doing it pretty spontaneously.
Why would kissing a woman make you a player?I bring her back to her apt, but she isn't in a rush to leave. She doesn't even reach for the door and we kind of keep talking. I'm not sure what she's expecting here, but I wasn't gonna kiss her (I've heard from sources she hates 'players')
You're 23, so I don't see why you can't arrange some type of date after 10pm.I get out of work at 10pm Wed-Fri so I can't do any of those nights. Calling tomorrow and asking for Tuesday would seem a little desperate yeah?
So should I call tomorrow and ask for a Sat night dinner and then go check out the ride?
No, I actually reconnected with her (and found out shes recently single) while on a night out with coworkers.Iceberg said:Sounds good. Just out of curiosity, are you against drinking?
I dunno. Maybe that was dumb. But I have one more chance before I blow it forever.Why would kissing a woman make you a player?
True, but since she has work at 9 in the morning it gets pretty restrictive as to how long you can stay out, or what you can do. Also, I forgot to mention, I live in a pretty small city where there really isn't much to do after 10 pm except go drink at a trashy bar. I don't actually live in Cleveland like my profile says.You're 23, so I don't see why you can't arrange some type of date after 10pm.
You're right. The amusement park ride thing is just one thing that would take like 5 minutes. Maybe 15 minutes with the wait. We could just get that out of the way and then go get dinner, where drinking can be involved. Since it's Sat night, we can then go out, or watch a movie or something at my place.But yeah, try to get her out on Saturday. Again, I personally would rather do something a little more adult-themed, as dinner and amusement parks sounds too "Chick Flick" for me. But hey if it's working for you, then roll with it.
I know, but it also didn't seem right, you know? I'm not trying to be a p*ssy about this and make excuses, really. It would've been awkward if I tried kissing her there. (This, on top of the player thing)justanothernormalguy said:you should of kissed her, or at least raised her sexual interest level through kino. You are very much heading for friend zone.
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Exactly! All women say that, but very few act on it. Plus, it doesn't mean they don't want sex or physical contact.Iceberg said:Also, of course you'll hear that women hate "players," but if you look at their sexual history, these are the guys who get into their pants. So obviously, they don't hate them too much, right?