“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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Flirting on a 1st date

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I bet there's already a good thread on this, and if someone knows of one and could direct me to it, that would be great.

In any case, here is my problem. I am getting plenty of first dates with good looking women. Very few 2nd dates. I talked about this with a friend of mine tonight. His point was a good one - I have zero idea of how to flirt. I'm just bad at it. I talk to women like they're friends. Male friends. We talk for hours, and have great conversations, but I think I'm getting moved into the 'friends' category really fast.

So - could some folks here give me advice on flirting on a first date? I really need some new moves.

(just as background, I'm 33, and the women we're talking about are usually between 28 and 31.)
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Kino, eye contact, teasing... all express interest. Read up about those and more in the DJ Bible, linked at the bottom of any page.
 

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I am getting plenty of first dates with good looking women. Very few 2nd dates.

Are you trying for a kiss on the first date? Kino is just casual fun touching, like when she says something funny, you touch her on the elbow as you laugh, like you are doing it without thinking about it.

Also, the 'kiss test,' stroke-her-hair thing is golden. If she will stare into your eyes as you stroke her hair, then she wants to make out with you. If you don't press the issue, then you become boring real quick.
 

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Dude, just keep it lighthearted and funny. Don't act like you're there to do anything but have fun. By the simple fact that you are calling it a "first date" instead of "hanging out" makes it seem waaaay too serious from the get-go. And if the opportunity presents itself, kiss her. Instantly shows you are not wanting to be "friends."
 

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good stuff

ok, I appreciate all this. keep it coming. :)

Any other words of wisdom?
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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the problem is you aren't going for the kill. you flirt with women to get dates. you fvck women you are on dates with
 

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The problem with this flirting stuff is that if you aren't used to doing it, you have to force yourself to. Too often I find myself talking with a girl and all I do is talk make eye contact and maybe joke a little. I don't do any kino at all, because it is completely unnatural to me. I'm not even sure if my interactions with women can even be called flirting.

I've read so much information about this stuff but it still isn't hardwired into my brain. Heh I should hire a camera clue to fallow me around and record my interactions with girls and then have somebody analyze what I'm doing at the end of the day :D

LOL I pasted that link into Word and it's 20 pages.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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Jeebus H Christ. It took 30 seconds just to scroll to the bottom of that.

I'm gonna go read it now, and I'm gonna come back and tell you what I think.

EDIT: Ok, I stopped about 1/5th of the way through, because it got WAAAAAY too technical. When you're describing eye contact within intervals of one to seven seconds, and you say the suggested distance between two people should be 17 inches or so, you've taken it too far. People say we've turned flirting into a science on this site. Well, those people should read that article.
 
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Maxtro said:
The problem with this flirting stuff is that if you aren't used to doing it, you have to force yourself to. Too often I find myself talking with a girl and all I do is talk make eye contact and maybe joke a little. I don't do any kino at all, because it is completely unnatural to me. I'm not even sure if my interactions with women can even be called flirting.
You called it right.

This is a big part of my problem.
 

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MikeEdward1973 said:
ok, I appreciate all this. keep it coming. :)

Any other words of wisdom?
What do you talk about that interesting enough for hours but not enough for a second date?
 

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
What do you talk about that interesting enough for hours but not enough for a second date?
Really, we talk about everything from work and family life (I don't have any kids, and neither do the women I date - I'm referring to parents and siblings) to the places we've lived and what we do for fun.

Not to sound arrogant, but I do have a lot of interesting stuff to talk about, I spent 5 years on Wall Street, and now I work in Silicon Valley. And I spend most of the time asking them about them, not talking about just me. I show a lot of interest in what they do, their life, etc.

And I get a lot of good vibes - almost *always* they do the hair-stroking thing and we make a ton of eye contact.

My follow-up is I call a couple days later, leave a message, and they almost never call back. And then a couple days after that, I'll shoot them a text message, just saying hi, asking how their week is going.

So something is going wrong from the time I meet them to my follow-up.

My suspicion is that I'm not flirting - I treat it way too much like a job interview. And I am really good at job interviews, so I think my brain is trained to be too much of a gentlemen.

Does anyone know what I'm talking about? help?
 

“The 22 Psychological Triggers That Make Women Chase You… Starting Tonight”

Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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Yeah man. Stop with the interviews. You gotta be fun. I'm sure you'll get more second dates that way.
 

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Bvbidd said:
Yeah man. Stop with the interviews. You gotta be fun. I'm sure you'll get more second dates that way.
How would you avoid the interviews? I keep getting stuck in that hole.
 

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Ask open-ended questions. And for godssake kiss the poor girl, she probably thinks you don't like her or something. Actions speak louder than words. Think about it this way: You wanna get some action or some words from her? Yeah, that's what I thought.
 

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MikeEdward1973 said:
Really, we talk about everything from work and family life (I don't have any kids, and neither do the women I date - I'm referring to parents and siblings) to the places we've lived and what we do for fun.

Not to sound arrogant, but I do have a lot of interesting stuff to talk about, I spent 5 years on Wall Street, and now I work in Silicon Valley. And I spend most of the time asking them about them, not talking about just me. I show a lot of interest in what they do, their life, etc.
Alright, work, family, past history, etc... How to you go about integrating you experiences with hers and vice versa leveraging your commonalities?
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And I get a lot of good vibes - almost *always* they do the hair-stroking thing and we make a ton of eye contact.
Alright, other than signs of her being an attentive person, what does she say that involves the two of you at some future time and place? That's the only true thing that shows that she's interested prior to meeting you at some other time and place.
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My follow-up is I call a couple days later, leave a message, and they almost never call back. And then a couple days after that, I'll shoot them a text message, just saying hi, asking how their week is going.
What do you say to them beyond salutations that would make them want to see you again?
MikeEdward1973 said:
My suspicion is that I'm not flirting - I treat it way too much like a job interview. And I am really good at job interviews, so I think my brain is trained to be too much of a gentlemen.
Why not just be a man, one who's not at work. One who with a woman he's interested in and one that is confident in letting her know that he's interested in more than the stereotypical chats about career, family and the weather.
 
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