"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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First field experience from a newbie.

DCC

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Well, I went on a 'first date' with a girl for the first time since taking advice from this forum, and generally reframing myself and wow, what a difference it made.

It really is about not caring at all.

I don't even think the techniques taught on here in themselves are what works..

When you find yourself not caring about the outcomes of going out with women, C&F happens naturally, passing women's tests comes naturally, and overall, life is easier.

Went out with a girl I met on the internets, for lunch. I posted about our C&F conversation and how I established that she was already down a few points, and if she wanted an A, she'd better bring it to the table.

Well, we go out for dinner and I'm being somewhat aloof, a little disconnected, and she absolutely refuses to let me pay, because she 'owes me' lol. I realized something that I haven't paid attention to for a long time. It seems to get pushed to the side when I'm seeking a 'real' LTR. I am genuinely a very funny person. My friends know that, girls that I know that I would never date know that, but women that I go out with for the intentions of dating, that sense of humor is lost somewhere along the way. Probably somewhere between me kissing her ass and trying not to offend.

After dinner, we walked around for a bit (We were at an outdoor mall, and I started kino-ing her, playfully pushing / small of back / etc.) and it was all going well.

Well, I walk her back to her car, feeling pretty good, go in for the k-close, she went for it....then I walked back to my car...I was halfway home and she was already calling me telling me what an awesome time she had and can't wait to do it again.

Haven't set up a second date yet, because I am legitimately busy right now...moreso than I've been in a long time. Moving into a new house, taking care of school paperwork, golfing more often, a bunch of 'me' stuff....

This woman probably isn't LTR material, we didn't have a ton of stuff in common, but for the first 27 years of my life I've made the mistake of only looking for an LTR and missing the fun that leads up to the LTR...without realizing that I need to let the fun happen first, and the LTR will follow. I'm pretty sure that to women I'm pursuing, up to this point in time, I've came across as boring and serious because I go into interview mode. Now that I see what happens when I just let things happen, it's time for me to keep stepping up my game.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Alex DeLarge

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Good job man. Keep it up!
 

loveshogun

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Good to hear, brotha. Keep it up.

Remember that you don't need to become a sociopath. I kind of went to the dark side for a bit when I first started focusing on me - which for me kind of turned into "seeing how much I can get out of people" for a bit. Douchiness not necessary in this process. Stay funny, stay positive. The world, and life, is as good as you make it.
 

DCC

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Whoa,

Some of this stuff is like Kryptonite.

Girl I went out with last week just called me. I flirt for a bit...

"Hey, how's the move going" (I'm getting ready to move)
"Good...I hit a roadblock though, I'm out of boxes."
"I have some if you need em"
"OK, I'll have to take you up on that offer"
"Tonight?"
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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