"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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When you guys go on first dates and grab drinks, do you generally foot the whole bill? Or split?
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Depends on your preferences if its a proper first date. If I invite, I pay, but I’m generous and dgaf. If you ever want to probe for a split though, when ordering the first set tell her I’ll get the first round, you get the next with a grin and watch the look on her face…
 
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Unless she goes first I pay first, if it doesn't become too expensive (drinks are expensive as fvck in Norway compared to almost anywhere), in that case I split. If I don't like her I split for sure.

If pay for the first date I consider it common courtesy to pay next time. All in all it has to be equal.

If there is no second date and I paid, well, sh!t happens. I'm not so poor that I really suffer from that. Chances must be taken regardless in dating.

I will never pay if she demands or expects it, that's rude.
 

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I split pretty much every time.

1. If she's looking for a free drink/meal and doesn't care about you at all, it will immediately be obvious before the date starts and you won't waste your time.
2. It establishes that you're equals.
3. It means you're not "paying" for her time, so she doesn't start seeing you as a magpie that has to bring her presents just to spend time with her.
4. I've had girls actually be turned off by me paying because they think it shows a lack of assertion (lol). Or because they think it's chauvinistic and not feminist to do that (lol). Or they get awkward because they actually wanted to go halves...
 

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I’ve usually been the one to always pay. Especially in my blue pilled days. I’ve tried a few different tactics. But the girl always seems to expect me to pick up the tab (which can not always be the easiest as I don’t have a lot of spending money bewteen paydays). Plus bills can add up if you go on 3-5 dates a week.

So, Along with my non confirming of dates this week, I will be implementing the ‘split bills’ when I do drinks with the women.. I usually go for a walk on first dates now just to avoid bills.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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I’ve usually been the one to always pay. Especially in my blue pilled days. I’ve tried a few different tactics. But the girl always seems to expect me to pick up the tab (which can not always be the easiest as I don’t have a lot of spending money bewteen paydays). Plus bills can add up if you go on 3-5 dates a week.

So, Along with my non confirming of dates this week, I will be implementing the ‘split bills’ when I do drinks with the women.. I usually go for a walk on first dates now just to avoid bills.
Ya, ask her to open the car door, the bar door, and put on your jacket for you as well. Tell her that she can defer to you 50% of the time, and you will defer to her 50% like a gay couple. Tell her, you will do 50% of the cooking and 50% of the cleaning while you wear a tight apron, and that you can only have sex two weeks out of the month because one week she'll bleed and the other week you'll bleed.

50%-50% , eh?
 

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Always split. I would feel as if she's making me a favor by being with me if I pay.
 

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Ya, ask her to open the car door, the bar door, and put on your jacket for you as well. Tell her that she can defer to you 50% of the time, and you will defer to her 50% like a gay couple. Tell her, you will do 50% of the cooking and 50% of the cleaning while you wear a tight apron, and that you can only have sex two weeks out of the month because one week she'll bleed and the other week you'll bleed.

50%-50% , eh?
Hahah.. easy.
I’m just curious what most do here. And as much as I know it’s best for the guy to grab the bill concerning drinks and outings, it’s not completely viable to do when money isn’t in abundance at the given time. If each drink tab comes out to 30 dollars on a date, and you have 2-6 dates in one week.. that can add up fast.

And I’m simply curious to see how the veterans handle the bill protocol when seeing a woman time and time again.

I know always picking the bill up too and doing all the leg work would be a poor way to screen her interest too.
 

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If I like the woman, I pay. If I couldn't care less, split. Could be my age though. This is NYC, so the women here are stuck up and entitled to the nth degree. It's crazy. I hear it's a lot better in Dallas.
 
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