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first dates do's and dont's

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so i met this facebook HB in the end but she didn't meet me where we were suppose to and was late.. (i gave her grief about it though..) and had already bought herself a drink at the place i was planning to take her from where we were meeting. so i didn't get to make the first impression i wanted.

i dont really know why but i didn't get a good vibe from her.. closed off body language crossed arms etc.. i guess maybe she just didn't like the look of me compared to my pics.

anyway i tried my best stuff but wasn't really C+F enough.. did a few neg hits and a bit of kino but not really much response from her apart from laughing.

is it bad to prearrange the next meeting towards the end of the date?

towards the end it was going better but still felt like i needed to get to know her better and her likewise with me as it was first time meeting a stranger.

i suggested we meet sometime towards the end of the week but i said i would call.. i really should have told her to contact me if she was interested?

i feel like i made the wrong move by trying to prearrange the next date whereas i should have left her wondering whether i'd call her again after today.. now she knows im interested for def i guess the games over?

my plan is not to call her when i said i would this weekend and just leave it for a few days to see..
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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DonGorgon said:
if you know the date failed , learn what you did wrong and move on...
well what did i do wrong?

im not sure what i do right and wrong..

i tried to make the arrangements for the next date in mind to flake on her.. but i realise now maybe it woulda been better to just have left it and make her wonder.
 

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i should have left her wondering whether i'd call her again after today.. now she knows im interested for def i guess the games over?

Yes, always keep her wondering. But you live and learn. Next time you won't make the same mistake. I would not call this girl until she contacts you.


had already bought herself a drink at the place i was planning to take her from where we were meeting. so i didn't get to make the first impression i wanted.


This is not a job interview. Stop trying so hard. That's a red flag. Buying a drink for a girl you have not seen yet is like showing up at her door with flowers. All you should really care about is having a fun time for yourself. Ironically, that will make the best kind of impression on her.
 

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i should have left her wondering whether i'd call her again after today.. now she knows im interested for def i guess the games over?

Yes, always keep her wondering. But you live and learn. Next time you won't make the same mistake. I would not call this girl until she contacts you.


had already bought herself a drink at the place i was planning to take her from where we were meeting. so i didn't get to make the first impression i wanted.


This is not a job interview. Stop trying so hard. That's a red flag. Buying a drink for a girl you have not seen yet is like showing up at her door with flowers. All you should really care about is having a fun time for yourself. Ironically, that will make the best kind of impression on her.
i told her i'd call her on saturday so obviously i probably shouldn't and flake a bit and keep her guessing.

is responding on facebook out of the question also?
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Dude, stop! Don't pursue her anymore. Start reading and work on yourself because you're not ready for her or anyone else. Read the books offered on this site (i.e. Book of Pook and the DJ Bible). Second, try to get your hands on a book called "The Dating Wizard". You need to change first.
 

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If you don't listen to me, you will be stuck in the vicious cycle of wanting and impatiently waiting. Soon you'll be down a dead end street of depression. You're living life as a pawn. Learn to treat yourself as the king, bro.
 

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Yeah tick is right. You need to work on yourself some. But I wouldn't give up on this girl in the meantime. Don't call her this weekend and for the love of God DON'T SEND A FACEBOOK MESSAGE. If she sends you one then it's OK to reply. But do not send one. I repeat do not send one. It is probably the most AFC lame thing I can think of doing. Trust me.

But yeah, don't call this weekend. Wait until maybe mid next week. Also, don't contact her at all. No texts, no nothing. Let her contact you. I'd say call Monday but no later than Tuesday. Don't make her wait too long.

I don't think you blew it. She was perhaps nervous about meeting someone in person whom she met online. So don't take all this stuff personally.

also, you need to change your mindset a little. You have oneitis I fear. You really don't want to be waiting impatiently for every move you or her make. Be confident and secure with yourself. Women like that. and that's how DJs act.
 

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Definitely sounds like oneitis. I seem to keep falling into that, too. I took an extended break from pick up to work on inner game and thought I had it down pretty solid only to find myself falling back into my old AFC ways once I found somebody I liked. I did some horribly AFC shìt on Saturday that almost cost me my job.

So yeah, I'd recommend just taking a break and working on your inner game for awhile. The same women will still be there when you're done. And you might not even want them then when you realize you can do better.
 

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pete101 said:
so i met this facebook HB in the end but she didn't meet me where we were suppose to and was late.. (i gave her grief about it though..) and had already bought herself a drink at the place i was planning to take her from where we were meeting. so i didn't get to make the first impression i wanted.

i dont really know why but i didn't get a good vibe from her.. closed off body language crossed arms etc.. i guess maybe she just didn't like the look of me compared to my pics.

anyway i tried my best stuff but wasn't really C+F enough.. did a few neg hits and a bit of kino but not really much response from her apart from laughing.

is it bad to prearrange the next meeting towards the end of the date?

towards the end it was going better but still felt like i needed to get to know her better and her likewise with me as it was first time meeting a stranger.

i suggested we meet sometime towards the end of the week but i said i would call.. i really should have told her to contact me if she was interested?

i feel like i made the wrong move by trying to prearrange the next date whereas i should have left her wondering whether i'd call her again after today.. now she knows im interested for def i guess the games over?

my plan is not to call her when i said i would this weekend and just leave it for a few days to see..
you shouldnt have gave her grief on first impression.

you didnt do much wrong or right,
call her in a few days, be like hows it going, lets get together,
dont talk about last date, its done, in the past

start again, if shes boring, just leave, screw waitin for the date to end, just leave. i hate shy b1tches or *****es who got no personality
more fish in the pond
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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I've never been on a date ( :cry: )

but I always got the impression that on a date you should simply be yourself...shouldn't be too hard.

On another note, I think I got a date with a girl tomorrow. I'm not sure if its a date or not since she only wants a friend, but perhaps it could turn into a date?

Anyways I'm taking her bowling...good idea?
 

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ezily said:
Yeah tick is right. You need to work on yourself some. But I wouldn't give up on this girl in the meantime. Don't call her this weekend and for the love of God DON'T SEND A FACEBOOK MESSAGE. If she sends you one then it's OK to reply. But do not send one. I repeat do not send one. It is probably the most AFC lame thing I can think of doing. Trust me.

But yeah, don't call this weekend. Wait until maybe mid next week. Also, don't contact her at all. No texts, no nothing. Let her contact you. I'd say call Monday but no later than Tuesday. Don't make her wait too long.

I don't think you blew it. She was perhaps nervous about meeting someone in person whom she met online. So don't take all this stuff personally.

also, you need to change your mindset a little. You have oneitis I fear. You really don't want to be waiting impatiently for every move you or her make. Be confident and secure with yourself. Women like that. and that's how DJs act.
Perfect advice!
 

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ezily said:
Yeah tick is right. You need to work on yourself some. But I wouldn't give up on this girl in the meantime. Don't call her this weekend and for the love of God DON'T SEND A FACEBOOK MESSAGE. If she sends you one then it's OK to reply. But do not send one. I repeat do not send one. It is probably the most AFC lame thing I can think of doing. Trust me.

But yeah, don't call this weekend. Wait until maybe mid next week. Also, don't contact her at all. No texts, no nothing. Let her contact you. I'd say call Monday but no later than Tuesday. Don't make her wait too long.

I don't think you blew it. She was perhaps nervous about meeting someone in person whom she met online. So don't take all this stuff personally.

also, you need to change your mindset a little. You have oneitis I fear. You really don't want to be waiting impatiently for every move you or her make. Be confident and secure with yourself. Women like that. and that's how DJs act.
I think this is great information, but until he figures out why he should do this or that, he'll constantly be posting nagging threads. He's always wondering when to go left or right and when to jump or squat. He needs to study and find out.
 

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which books/literature on here would you recommend i should read that would give me advice about how to behave on actual dates?

i think a problem im having with her is that she's new to town and doesn't know many people so i guess is a bit lonley.. the conversation kept switching to her somewhat complaining/confiding in me telling me silly stories and i could see she was enforcing this LJBF thing on me and i didn't know how to steer away the convo from this stuff.. what do you normally say?

i threw in a few things about us kissing and busting her balls a bit about her shoes being ugly to interrupt the LJBF crap im getting sucked into but i think she needs a friend more than a bf so im dealing with a girl who isn't looking despite being single

i tried numerous kino but she just wasn't having any of it..
 
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also if you are C+F and she doesn't laugh and responds with a 'yeah yeah whatever.. you wish' not in a rude way but more in a dismissive way.. how do you respond to stuff like this?
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Well, if you have confidence with women, you'll act natural, but you seem to put yourself beneath women and act in a supplicating manner. It's more about knowing that you are the best thing they could get and acting in that way when you're around women. You're doing them a favor by letting them get a piece of you.
 

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tick37 said:
Well, if you have confidence with women, you'll act natural, but you seem to put yourself beneath women and act in a supplicating manner. It's more about knowing that you are the best thing they could get and acting in that way when you're around women. You're doing them a favor by letting them get a piece of you.
doesn't that come across as quite arrogant if you act that way and could repel them if she looks at you and thinks that you think too much of yourself?
 

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I said "confident" with women. Women are a non issue if you're confident with them. Arrogance is something totally different. It's as if you feel like you're God's gift to women, and you're to good for them. You don't act too good, but you act as if you know you can get a woman at any time and any place. I know I can. They may not always be 8s and up, but I CAN get a woman any time I want.
 

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pete101 said:
also if you are C+F and she doesn't laugh and responds with a 'yeah yeah whatever.. you wish' not in a rude way but more in a dismissive way.. how do you respond to stuff like this?
NEXT!
 

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ezily said:
Yeah tick is right. You need to work on yourself some. But I wouldn't give up on this girl in the meantime. Don't call her this weekend and for the love of God DON'T SEND A FACEBOOK MESSAGE. If she sends you one then it's OK to reply. But do not send one. I repeat do not send one. It is probably the most AFC lame thing I can think of doing. Trust me.

But yeah, don't call this weekend. Wait until maybe mid next week. Also, don't contact her at all. No texts, no nothing. Let her contact you. I'd say call Monday but no later than Tuesday. Don't make her wait too long.

I don't think you blew it. She was perhaps nervous about meeting someone in person whom she met online.
well she did send me a facebook message prior to us meeting but i did not see it till after our date.. i replied, i presume that is a bad move?

no response from her but i didnt ask any questions anyway.. just answered her question in the reply and said some C+F stuff about our meeting that day.

if she doesn't contact me which im not expecting then i guess i could do the flaking thing a bit as she's expecting a call from me this saturday for our supposed meet on sunday. should i just wait till monday and send a text saying sorry i didn't call her on saturday and that i was busy and not forgotten her?
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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