"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

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First date, with her friend!

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That tall chick i been talkin bout wants to meet this weekend. She suggested friday so i said sure i think im free. so she then says "my friend will be there is that ok?"

That is ridiculous, this is a girl i never met off of match.com and i gotta meet her with a friend. No way! I promptly replied to her text and said -"why dont we just do it when ur free? no rush"

Did i do good?
I aint doin that with a girl i never even met. For all i know shes 50 lbs heavier than her pictures and insane, i shouldnt have to meet her with a friend alongside us on the first date. That's stupid. If she's not wat i thought id like to escape early and thats hard to do if im out with her and her friends. This should be a drink or coffee or somethin, not a hangout with her firends. I suggested a weekday to her twice, but she's hellbent on the weekend. Even if she's not 500 lbs or insane, and shes great, i still wanna meet her alone. It is hard enuff to game a girl alone, let alone with her friend i never met standing right there. Did i handle it right?
 

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Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

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Given that you met her online, go a little easy on her with the friend thing.. There really are a lot of freaks online and the woman just needs to make sure you aren't a psycho threat, and having a friend with her is protection in her mind.. Don't let her pull it on you for the second date but for the first I'd let it slide.. Who knows, you may like the friend better :-D
 

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Given that you met her online, go a little easy on her with the friend thing.. There really are a lot of freaks online and the woman just needs to make sure you aren't a psycho threat, and having a friend with her is protection in her mind.. Don't let her pull it on you for the second date but for the first I'd let it slide.. Who knows, you may like the friend better :-D

haha i dunno man ive met like 10 girls off match, and none of them were worried bout that. I wont be mean but ill see if i can convince her.
 

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Why are you afraid the she might be 500 lbs, treat all the women the same on first dates. And if you want to know how she looks ask for a picture, or just ask how she would describe herself. But don't change the way how you interact with them, because of their apperance!

When she says that she wants to bring a friend with her, how i see it.. you have 2 choices:
1- Say that you will bring a friend too (double-date)
2- Just be honest and say that you only want to meet her

It's your choice, you're after all the Man :yes: ...

And one thing, you shouldn't be too concerned how you did it.. just know what you want.. and act that way!
 

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Faca said:
Why are you afraid the she might be 500 lbs, treat all the women the same on first dates. And if you want to know how she looks ask for a picture, or just ask how she would describe herself. But don't change the way how you interact with them, because of their apperance!

When she says that she wants to bring a friend with her, how i see it.. you have 2 choices:
1- Say that you will bring a friend too (double-date)
2- Just be honest and say that you only want to meet her

It's your choice, you're after all the Man :yes: ...

And one thing, you shouldn't be too concerned how you did it.. just know what you want.. and act that way!

Eh it doesnt really have anythign to do with being afraid shes ugly or fat, its more cuz i just dont want to meet her friend too. thats annoying. Isnt this a date? She has like 14 mypsace pics and 4 match.com pics. From what i can tell she's very very cute, huge rack too. The only thing is all the pics r at these weird angles, u cant tell how big her a$$ and stomache are. Shes def not a tothpick, but im not sure about the extent of her blubber. Hopefully theres very little of it :p
 

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Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

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You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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Isnt this a date?
In her mind, no.

You were right to turn down a "get-together" with her and her friend. The friend is a potential c0ck-block, and will distract your target from focussing all her attention on you.

If you want to score dates instead of social gatherings, you need to raise her IL higher in order for her to WANT a one-on-one date with you.
 

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In her mind, no.

You were right to turn down a "get-together" with her and her friend. The friend is a potential c0ck-block, and will distract your target from focussing all her attention on you.

If you want to score dates instead of social gatherings, you need to raise her IL higher in order for her to WANT a one-on-one date with you.

Oh shes mega interested trust me. She texts me continuously and calls me and tells me to call her and i only know her 4 days. She keeps saying im a sweetie and cute. She seems a lil nuts, but she is definto me.
 

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Desdinova said:
In her mind, no.

You were right to turn down a "get-together" with her and her friend. The friend is a potential c0ck-block, and will distract your target from focussing all her attention on you.

If you want to score dates instead of social gatherings, you need to raise her IL higher in order for her to WANT a one-on-one date with you.

Well the meet-up was all her idea. So its not like i asked and shes doin me some favor. But yea exactly. Shes a potential **** block, and it will just ruin my game. Its also annoying i dont wanna meet her friend. But regardless of it being a date or not, it is a match.com meetup, so i should not have to meet her friend and i wont.
 

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Golden opportunity if she brings a friend...

If you pull it off (depends on ur game) ur guaranteed sex... guaranteed


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DJinTraining06 said:
That tall chick i been talkin bout wants to meet this weekend. She suggested friday so i said sure i think im free. so she then says "my friend will be there is that ok?"

That is ridiculous, this is a girl i never met off of match.com and i gotta meet her with a friend. No way! I promptly replied to her text and said -"why dont we just do it when ur free? no rush"

Did i do good?
Attaboy, good catch! I may have agreed to a Saturday meeting if it were early in the day but definitely not with her Minnie-Me. :up:

You did well by not being fooled and being steadfast. I would have called her and told her that I would think it would be best if our first meeting was one on one to best get to know one another. By suggesting to "do it when she's free" and "no rush" you have given her control of the situation; you'll be waiting on her to contact you.

This girl's interest level was questionable and she was showing signs of a high maintenance girl. Why would she bring her girlfriend along? To get her opinion of you since she may not be able to decide herself. Who are you sarging anyway, her or her friend?
 

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Oh shes mega interested trust me. She texts me continuously and calls me and tells me to call her and i only know her 4 days. She keeps saying im a sweetie and cute. She seems a lil nuts, but she is definto me.
Or is she really into the attention? You won't know for sure until you get together with her, alone.
 

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Oh shes mega interested trust me. She texts me continuously and calls me and tells me to call her and i only know her 4 days. She keeps saying im a sweetie and cute. She seems a lil nuts, but she is definto me.
Try re-scheduling with her - without the friend. If she still insists on bringing someone, NEXT her.
 

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Attaboy, good catch! I may have agreed to a Saturday meeting if it were early in the day but definitely not with her Minnie-Me. :up:

You did well by not being fooled and being steadfast. I would have called her and told her that I would think it would be best if our first meeting was one on one to best get to know one another. By suggesting to "do it when she's free" and "no rush" you have given her control of the situation; you'll be waiting on her to contact you.

This girl's interest level was questionable and she was showing signs of a high maintenance girl. Why would she bring her girlfriend along? To get her opinion of you since she may not be able to decide herself. Who are you sarging anyway, her or her friend?

I think her interest is thru the roof. She only joined match sunday night, she says im the only one shes talked to so far, and she texts me all day, and calls me every night. She wants me to see the movie happy feet with her sunday. I am literally not doin anything here, she is doing all the contacting and stuff. Is she crazy? She's 26 and she said she dated 1 guy in her life, for 6 yrs. Is she just really lonely and desperate maybe? This seems obsessive. But when we talk she sounds really smart and together. We hit it off, she seems totally normal. This is weird i wish i could show pics of her, its odd for someone that looks like that to act like this. Hmmmm
 

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... I am literally not doin anything here, she is doing all the contacting and stuff. Is she crazy? She's 26 and she said she dated 1 guy in her life, for 6 yrs. Is she just really lonely and desperate maybe? This seems obsessive...
Hmmmm... Feels a bit different when you're on the other end, doesn't it? Keep this in mind when you're on the hunt.

But hey, this one definitely sounds interested. It's good that you've gained her interest before she had gotten tainted by all the AFC noobs online, I believe that's one of the major reasons why many women are apprehensive online.

I still say you should meet her face to face alone first. One option is the two of you get together for something light first and if you hit it off, go and see Happy Feet with her and her friend. Going to see Happy Feet is bad enough in itself, it would be a shame going with someone you don't really know along with her friend. If the two of you don't hit it off, she has someone else to talk to; think about it...
 

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You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Hmmmm... Feels a bit different when you're on the other end, doesn't it? Keep this in mind when you're on the hunt.

But hey, this one definitely sounds interested. It's good that you've gained her interest before she had gotten tainted by all the AFC noobs online, I believe that's one of the major reasons why many women are apprehensive online.

I still say you should meet her face to face alone first. One option is the two of you get together for something light first and if you hit it off, go and see Happy Feet with her and her friend. Going to see Happy Feet is bad enough in itself, it would be a shame going with someone you don't really know along with her friend. If the two of you don't hit it off, she has someone else to talk to; think about it...
No she said shes dropping off her friend at the train in manhattan, and we're gonna see it alone. Looks like she got my drift quick. Feels good when u lay down the law lol. Happy Feet is rough, but ill suggest drinks after. Unfortunately we live at home both of us, so no chance of that for a while. But she seems cool, we hit it off talkin on the phone.
 

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
Hmmmm... Feels a bit different when you're on the other end, doesn't it? Keep this in mind when you're on the hunt.

But hey, this one definitely sounds interested. It's good that you've gained her interest before she had gotten tainted by all the AFC noobs online, I believe that's one of the major reasons why many women are apprehensive online.

I still say you should meet her face to face alone first. One option is the two of you get together for something light first and if you hit it off, go and see Happy Feet with her and her friend. Going to see Happy Feet is bad enough in itself, it would be a shame going with someone you don't really know along with her friend. If the two of you don't hit it off, she has someone else to talk to; think about it...
Well not sure what u mean by feels diff on the other end, i never text or call like that. I do one or 2 calls or texts, not 20 in 4 days lol. I think its diff in that i actually like that. I asked if its obsessive, but its def not a turnoff, i like gettin texts. Maybe im just bored at work, or i like the re-assurance of knowing shes interested but they dont bother me. Im just curious if she may me be a screwball. lol
 

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No she said shes dropping off her friend at the train in manhattan, and we're gonna see it alone. Looks like she got my drift quick. Feels good when u lay down the law lol.
Cool! Take her somewhere fun after the movie. IMO, movies are lousy first dates because all you do is sit in a movie theatre and distract yourselves from one another. Do something where the two of you can interact afterward.
 

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Cool! Take her somewhere fun after the movie. IMO, movies are lousy first dates because all you do is sit in a movie theatre and distract yourselves from one another. Do something where the two of you can interact afterward.

Yea she picked the whole happy feet idea. I dont like movies as dates, unless its my gf. Im gonna suggest drinks. Altho its gonna be perfect dinner time, so i may not be able to avoid that. Think drinks r good?
 

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Cool! Take her somewhere fun after the movie. IMO, movies are lousy first dates because all you do is sit in a movie theatre and distract yourselves from one another. Do something where the two of you can interact afterward.

Yea she picked the whole happy feet idea. I dont like movies as dates, unless its my gf. Im gonna suggest drinks. Altho its gonna be perfect dinner time, so i may not be able to avoid that. Think drinks r good?
 

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Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

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