Maxtro
Master Don Juan
Explain why if you can.
Also, what do you typically do?
Also, what do you typically do?
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Thanks for your input.Asasione said:Day or night is irrelevant! The main attraction is YOU not the fvcking venue or what time of day or anything. The girl should have a great time because she gets the pleasure of spending time with you no matter if your sitting at a coffee shop or at school chilling on some benches or on a quiet bus with no music.
In theory, that is correct.Asasione said:Day or night is irrelevant! The main attraction is YOU not the fvcking venue or what time of day or anything. The girl should have a great time because she gets the pleasure of spending time with you no matter if your sitting at a coffee shop or at school chilling on some benches or on a quiet bus with no music. Stop relying on external things to engage women and rely on yourself, if you don't know how then learn how to make everyday conservation about mundane things like what happened to you this week, for example, sound interesting.
This is completely the wrong mindset. What do you want to do, be friends with this chick or bang her?Maxtro said:When I first spend some time out with a girl I prefer to do it during the day doing something relaxed where we can get to know each other.
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
You're never going to get everyone to vote. It is a parts of statistics called response bias. Just like in government census. They did everything in their power and threatened to send people over to your house if you didn't fill it, yet the response rate was 75%.Maxtro said:Wow only 13 votes. So nobody else goes on dates?
Can you please elaborate?Badmannaz said:daydate=friendzone
that is such bullsh1t. it's all about what connection you and the girl has that make the date go well. if ur only after sex don't date at all.. go to a night club and find some drunk hoe.Badmannaz said:daydate=friendzone
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
I think it matters. Meeting up in the day gives the wrong message right away and shows "I want to be your friend". Don't waste your time with that, take her out for drinks then take her home.Maxtro said:This thread makes me wish I could edit polls.
I'd add a "Doesn't matter" option if I could.
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
Chickfight said:I used to avoid daydates like the plague. It's the logical thing to do.
Then I was forced to see a girl at midday cause it was legitimately the only time that worked.
In the end it was no different than an evening date for me, though I still don't recommend it unless you can find some very quiet places. That's only because if you haven't kissed her yet, it might feel strange to kiss her in front of a bunch of strangers in broad daylight. After the making out has been firmly established though, kissing in public is not really problem for most girls. Personally, I went to an almost empty movie theatre to make out and after that it was all good.
So to summarize my view; going for the day date is fine if you have no choice, but NOT unless you can be virtually alone with her for the make out or HAVE ALREADY made out with her.
Of course thats just a guideline I follow.. To get really good game you have know what the best thing to is, yet not be worried about doing it or not doing it if that makes sense. Don't be afraid to go with your gut instinct sometimes. If it works, you'll learn and internalize it, if it doesn't then it won't really set you back as long as you keep a strong frame and don't sweat it.
Also, though people do look better at night and with alcohol![]()
well when u put it that way you better hope the girl is a skanky hoe to put out on the first date. i would go with night time for THAT kind of date. but if you can actually get a hotel room or take her back home during the day then go for it. again i think it's all about connection and how good the attraction is. but yeah, they would have to be pretty sluttyy. i never try to get sex on a first date because i don't feel comfortable enough for that and i don't respect the girls who put out that fast... but thats just me.Maxtro said:So if you don't care about getting sex on the date, does the time of day matter?
As I mentioned before, I'm talking about first dates, and I don't care about getting first date nookie.
i know that i was just saying that's all. i dont think it matters if its day OR night for a first date. its all about getting to know each other. i actually love daytime over night because i like being out in the sun (if it's a good day) and just walking around town with the date and talking then stop for a coffee.Maxtro said:LoneWolf, I appreciate your posts but you seemed to completely misunderstand my post.
I don't want sex on the first date. I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that I did.
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.