“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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Field Reports, Ranting and my general bad luck.

Lionheart

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What up SpaceCadets?
It is now 3:26am and sleep is infinitely far away.

First the good stuff....

I have recently declared war on my acne, washing three times a day with soap, water and then clearasil and also having some tetracycline antibiotics in the pipeline, I have also started taking vitamin tablets in an attempt to clear my skin, this appears to be a losing battle, my 50 year old
father still gets spots!

The only plus to this is I guess I'lll never run out of testosterone.
I have also sorted out to a degree my ****ty hair, which is too dark to be fair and too light to be dark, It now looks pretty good with the American

Crew Fibre wax on it, and it spikes quite nicely and is a nice length.

The plan is to go see a top-bollocks stylist in July, and my mother has offered to pay, I obviously need it :(
I just need some direction with it, once I know what to do, I can start doing it.

My social life has never been better, with me becoming quite the dominant male, I make a lot of te social decisions and usually dominate the conversations, I can't be the alpha male as I am not physically imposing enough, however I can make anyone laugh and seem to have no problem keeping people (male or female) entertained.

At work I have no problem talking to the HB's and my player friend is quite impressed by this, he says it really suprises him the level of rapport I can achieve but ironically not get any further romantically with them.
There is a wonderful HB9.5 called Katie who I get along really well with, she specifically asks me whereabouts I sit, because we get on so well, she is 6ft, blonde, funny and attached :(

I am not AFC with her and I am NOT her girly pal, we have a laugh and a drink at the end of work with me and another cute gal called Catherine HB 8 / 9.

I am getting paid £400 a month at my job, which is good money for students, as a result I have a lot more money than a lot of my fellow students and am keeping out of debt quite well.

My degree and academic work has never been better, with my getting quite a reputation for excellence in the department of computing, I am also not seen as a geek due to the reputation I have for working hard and playing harder, some people have asked how I do it, chances are depending on the outcome of this year to come, I will walk into a high paying job as an computer animator down in London.

My summer holiday is all worked out, I am working 30hrs for a month and then I am going to take all of July off, where I plan to spend a large amount of time back in Nottingham, reading, animating, going running around the cross country course in the woods, mountain biking and getting a nice sun tan.

I am off the alcohol for a while as it is unneccesary calories and is making me act weird, and I am trying to cut up in preparation for Diesels bulking guide.

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Now the not so good....

Today I have been royally ****ed over by quite some magnitude, I have also not managed to get laid for a
very long time, along with several amusing altercations that are making me consider becoming mother****ing celibate.

The French chick, Bénédicte, HB 8 cute, pale skin, brunette / copper hair, SEXY accent (Ok I admit it - something near to being a oneitis.) that I have been laying some game down to at work, has finally over the past 2 weeks been formally introduced to me and I have now been getting to know her a little, We knew each others names and said Hi, but never really talked until the past couple of weeks, I had specifically avoided contact with her until recently as I did not want to end up in the dreaded LJBF zone before I was ready to make a move, I have been on a self-improvement jag for quite sometime, and I was just starting to get my confidence back.

I was talking to her and seemed to get a good response off her, I have found out after talking with her that she is as personable as she is cute, and also appears to be somewhat the artistic type, we were talking about a play being put on at her university, I should have asked her to go but she had to rush off for her friends' birthday before I could suggest it, she seemed real about this, and I can usually tell when people are bull****ting and
she seemed pretty genuine.

However the response I got from her seemed pretty good, I saw some expectation in her eyes when I mentioned the play, I would have asked about when to go, but my friend Jamie interrupted me (not on purpose) and she said she had to leave quickly.

I saw her again and got good rapport with her again, she was with 2 other female mutual friends, and I had the three of em laughing and joking with me, she mentioned that she was going to the local ****-tip called the Piper on Friday night with a load of American friends off her course, I ended up showing some value here as I got 2 phone calls within 30 mins from 2 different groups of friends asking me to come out with them, and I managed to
talk about how busy and interesting my life was! (With subtlety of course!) talking to my player friend and my AFC friend asking if they wanted to come with me, I got my player friend to come telling him about all her cute friends.

The events i am about to mention made me extremely paranoid, the way and order they played out felt SO ****ing uncoincidental.
(I am just being paranoid, but sometime I feel like I'm on the Truman Show! :D)

Friday afternoon I had to take the soon to be mentioned digital camera back to university and guess who I run into - Benedicte.
She comes out of her house, which I have walked past THOUSANDS of times on the way to university (without knowing it.), and have only run into her once (today), she appears when we are LESS than three feet away.

Its me and my player friend, he plays the game and does a great job of winging me (he knows I like the girl), it amazes me how he can so easily switch between being the centre of attention and then just blending into the background, as a result I dominate the conversation with her.

I see her with a hikers backpack on, and she is usually slightly snappy and smart, albeite unusual dresser, I joke about I thought she was going to the Himlayas and give her a c+f smile, and then she drops the bombshell...."Not going out tonight now as I'm going to London - to see my boyfriend."

.......Arse.

The way she mentioned her boyfriend instead of just mentioning London and shutting up about it REALLY makes me wonder if she has known all along, my player friend said that she had no idea, as he has his ear to the ground at work, and the only reason I didn't want it to get out was so that I didn't look like a loser afraid to ask her before my self-improvment and the other crap was sorted out.

So that's made me quite angry, I know it's AFC to get oneitis too bad, and I am trying to keep my mind off her.

Then I got a digital camera on loan from university and looked at the pictures, while there is nothing wrong with my
facial features they all go together in a rather strange way, I look good when looking straight in a mirror at 90
degrees, however if the way I look on these photos is the way I normally look then - I am not suprised that I don't get laid.

Just great, huh?
The components of my face are quite good, however the way they go together sucks quite a lot of ****, IF this is right, I think the camera is meant to be notorious for making people look bad, the spherical distortion because of the lens does not help much.

As for the following two c+b's I have only mentioned girls that appeared to have interest in me, there have been a few approaches and a few girls I ain't interested in, I think I am gonna have to play the numbers game.

Crash and Burn II : I met a exquisitely cute and personable brunette chemistry student in a local nightclub, we had good rapport again and I managed to keep the conversation flowing and keep it funny, then halfway through the convo she mentions that she is attached in the most

unsubtle way I have heard for quite a long time, I am good at concealing my intentions, I am hard to see through and complex as a person, BUT IT APPEARS THAT THE 'I WANT TO SCREW YOU' APPEARS IN BIG ****ING NEON LETTERS ON MY FOREHEAD :(
(even when it's not actually there.)

Crash and Burn III : Met another cute brunette (my type as you have prob. guessed.) in local pub, friends had chatted her and her blonde friend up before I got there, nice light convo, after the previous two c+b, decided to be nice and friendly, keep it light with no pressure, brunette said that she was going to the nightclub after the pub, saw brunette in club, opened with "Fancy seeing you here! :D", as had talked previously about where she was gonna be going so was a joke.

Talked a little, and then she started to look REALLY uncomfortable, and said "I'm...err....erm just going...to go to the bar.", I said "Yeah, erm..ok then." totally suprised at how she freaked out and just left.

Tried to stay friendly and light all three times, yet the women still decided they wouldn't touch me with a bargepole.

Ironically for all my intellect, practise and achievements, despite the fact I get told that I am a great deal more confident and masculine than my player friends, for all my convo skills and DJ practise and the fact I don't get played or used now - I STILL HAVE THE WORD LOSER IMPRINTED ACROSS MY FOREHEAD IN SPECIAL LETTERS ONLY WOMEN CAN SEE.

I am gonna become a SERIOUS misogynist at this rate, I can only take so much ****.

...I guess I'm just ugly ;)
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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Some girls like to think they're being hit on even if you aren't hitting on them. Try not to think much of it.

As far as acne goes, try adjusting your diet (i.e. lessen refined sugars and starches (flour)). What you eat has an amazing influence on your acne condition.

Past that, just generally, keep at it man. I was this awkward around girls before (and still am around a girl from time to time) and yeah it might feel all messed up and hopeless, but you'll be thanking yourself when things finally work out. When it's good, it's good.
...and in any case, you learn.

Good luck bro,

Robby
 

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Have you tried Accutane? Works great for acne... gives you bone dry lips, a boring diet and clammy hands for awhile but DESTROYS acne, plus I lost about 30 pounds when I was on it in 8th grade...
 

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I am good at concealing my intentions
This is not a good thing, it just means that you're not comfortable with who you are. You're hitting on them, but trying to hide it from them - of course they can see it, and yes, it's a turnoff. Shows lack of confidence, like you expect a rejection before you've even tried.

Hiding who you really are and what you really want may have served some purpose for you at some stage of your life, but now it's just holding you back.

I don't have any acne tips.

bp1974
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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I hate to admit this, but it's time to be truthful - I am notoriously insecure about my looks, I will not feel complete until I have started to get some approximation of a Love life.

There I've said it...

"Have you tried workin' on average looking girls?"
Yes - My player friend laughed and said that the french chick wasn't good enough for me and that I really ought to check out this nice hb9 blonde.

"This is not a good thing, it just means that you're not comfortable with who you are. You're hitting on them, but trying to hide it from them - of course they can see it, and yes, it's a turnoff. Shows lack of confidence, like you expect a rejection before you've even tried."

I am really happy with the new me, and now I have a lot more confidence, but I will not be 100% happy until I have started to get a love life!

I know that people say girls are a bonus, that they should not be your life, but we have to have balance, I excel in a lot of areas, being among the top 5 people on my university course (out of 180), and I am generally personable, and now I've got confidence - I have found out that I am damn funny! :D

But the love life is STILL ****ed up, and it has to be sorted before I can feel whole.

I guess despite understanding women and knowing all the DJ Bible - I guess I am still an AFC eh? :(

C'est La Vie.
Lion
 

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Be careful with all the washing and excess acne products. It's a weird thing but over-drying your face will not help it get cleared up and healed. Mild treatments, good diet, good hydration, etc. like these guys said are the key... and keep your hands away from your face as much as possible.

You've GOT to feel good about yourself before getting the girls. It just doesn't work the other way around. No matter how good of an actor or faker you think you are, somehow they just know.
 

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Get a benzoyl peroxide topical for your acne. I would recommend 10%. I believe Clearasil probably contains salicylic acid, which isn't as good as BP. I've also heard very high doses of Vitamin B5 aka Pantothenic Acid can get rid of acne.

As for the rest of your post, you sould like you are doing very well. You have become very confident and social so good things are going to come. Look at the bigger picture and forget about short term failures.
 

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Lionheart: Many parts of your post really remind me of myself. We seem to be so similar it's uncanny.

I've decided that I can't let myself worry about all the hurdles and a bit more persistance will see me through in due time. Practice makes perfect. Think about where you were before this site...
 

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Originally posted by Lionheart
I hate to admit this, but it's time to be truthful - I am notoriously insecure about my looks, I will not feel complete until I have started to get some approximation of a Love life.

There I've said it...

"Have you tried workin' on average looking girls?"
Yes - My player friend laughed and said that the french chick wasn't good enough for me and that I really ought to check out this nice hb9 blonde.

"This is not a good thing, it just means that you're not comfortable with who you are. You're hitting on them, but trying to hide it from them - of course they can see it, and yes, it's a turnoff. Shows lack of confidence, like you expect a rejection before you've even tried."

I am really happy with the new me, and now I have a lot more confidence, but I will not be 100% happy until I have started to get a love life!

I know that people say girls are a bonus, that they should not be your life, but we have to have balance, I excel in a lot of areas, being among the top 5 people on my university course (out of 180), and I am generally personable, and now I've got confidence - I have found out that I am damn funny! :D

But the love life is STILL ****ed up, and it has to be sorted before I can feel whole.

I guess despite understanding women and knowing all the DJ Bible - I guess I am still an AFC eh? :(

C'est La Vie.
Lion

Lion,

JUST....LET.....GO. That's it. You don't even need to think about that ****e! Man, you are freakin' hopeless. How about 'Mouseheart' instead for your name? You really need to reevaluate your life and mindset before you go any further. You sound like a goddamn chick!!

When I say 'let go', I don't mean letting yourself go completely and becoming a fat, lazy stupid slob. You shoudl keep excersiing, educating yourself, and the like. But you have to stop giving a FVCK what others think. The fact that you let your friends influence what girls you date makes it clear to me that you're a total pushover and a puzzy. I'll bet I could crush you in an instand with my opinions if I were that friend -- I'm known to have a sharp tongue. You need to get yourself together and live your life for YOURSELF.

Sit yourself down, turn off the computer, and think about this.
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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Didn't wanna resurrect the thread but jakes PM inbox is full.

Interesting Response I got from you here dude, I've know how pathetic it sounds, It's not the failure here that bothers me....it's just the constant losing when it comes to relationships.

"JUST....LET.....GO. That's it. You don't even need to think about that ****e! Man, you are freakin' hopeless. How about 'Mouseheart' instead for your name? You really need to reevaluate your life and mindset before you go any further. You sound like a goddamn chick!!"

Ha - I am infinetely more self confident than a year ago...I don't care that much what other's think about me. :)

"I'll bet I could crush you in an instand with my opinions if I were that friend"
I doubt it ;)
I actually manage to utterly destroy the same friend in arguments.

"The fact that you let your friends influence what girls you date makes it clear to me that you're a total pushover and a puzzy."

You misunderstood me here a tad, no one influences the girl's I wanna date, I have continued to attempt to date the french chick, even though my friend has said that I should try for someone else, after running into her and finding out about her boyfriend, I have moved onto other pastures.

I am not a pushover anymore, while I value your input you don't know me or my circumstances, I am trying to change but it's not easy, I am starting to get there but having seen no results is starting to get discouraging.

Plus I need to be a little less sensitive about what other's think - agreed, it's coming, but dear god if you'd seen me 2 years ago - you would have cried!

I don't post constantly on the discussion forums, I don't analyse every subtle nuance, and I don't ask for help constantly, I prefer to help myself....I still have a strong will and I guess I shouldn't get discouraged, as I have still come so far.

Anyway thanks for your input after all. :)
 

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Lionheart,

You 50 year old father still gets spots? Dude, you have to get on Accutane STAT! I had a very bad case of acne when I was a teenager, but a year of Accutane and it was GONE! (Completely, I only wash my face in the shower now.) Acne can make a huge difference to SOME people, less to others.

It seems like you might be one of those people who don't "carry" the zits well. (Like I was, probably a little pale...eh?)

Also, don't be THAT concerned about your hair. For crying out loud, you can experiment with it yourself. Ease off on the gel or wax or whatever. (Unless everyone else is just as obsessed as you are...different countries here.:))

Another thing, pictures are not too accurate. Neither are mirrors. Neither are people. Thing is, you can never really tell how good you look. Looks are a strange thing...just put it out of your mind. (There is no such thing as a "scale" or whatever, and guys can't judge guys...they just can't.)

I am proof that guys cannot judge other guys on looks. I am one of those guys who would be considered the "ugly guy with the hot girl". Think of Edward Norton and Selma Hayek, that is the perfect example. I look in the mirror and see nothing special, I look at the photos that I have and think "jeez..."; but, the ladies think differently for some reason.

I ain't gonna question it...:D

Another thing: don't put too much stock in VERBAL communication. Most of the communication is BODY LANGUAGE. To help you out, think of it in your mind like this: you and her cannot speak, you have to communicate with your demeanor and eyes, etc. What you say is only a tenth as important as what you DO.

But beware! Don't get too much into this mindset! (The mindset of not caring about what is said.) I have, and now I find it hard to relate with guys! (Because I have gotten too used to the sexual type conversations with girls. It becomes difficult to fill in the conversation with anything MEANINGFUL/SERIOUS that a guy would have interest in...)
 
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